Week Christmas: All over the place…

[CM]

Agree both.

I don’t think there’s bias from refs towards certain teams, unless your refereeing in the Saudi pro league or UAE pro league and on the City and Newcastle owners payroll:)

Joking aside, in my opinion there isn’t an excuse to make so many mistakes and be inconsistent, especially when you have something in place to help you out.

If they can get it right at international level during major tournaments, why can’t they in the PL. All VAR has done is open a can of worms with the way it has been implemented by our refs.

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[threeps]

I’ve watched the “dive” a few times now and still think he pushed the ball too far and wide past the keeper so it wasn’t a case of just putting into the back of the net. I think there was contact but minimal and Jota felt this and knew he would struggle because of his poor touch, the delayed dive action was because of the processing time needed.

You could argue the contact threw his balance which added to the difficulty of actually scoring what seemed a simple chance and in that case it should be a penalty irrespective of a dive or not. I’m not convinced by this however.

One thing that would help is if a player is clipped but stays on his feet and misses then a penalty should be given. It’s like playing an advantage in normal play and then calling it back when no advantage is made. I don’t know of many instances this has happened as players always just throw themselves to the floor and it seems its a part of modern elite football these days.

I’ve seen calls for retrospective bans for dives. I agree in principle as it should make a player think twice, my only concern would be that the panel would likely be made up by the mates of those reffing the match and they will likely not want to disagree with the on field decision.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

We all want more consistancy, for sure, but unless you make the rules black and white, we’re never going to get it…

Handball: Unless the rule is black and white, i.e. it touches any part of the arm it’s given, full stop, with no coinsideration to how the ball got there, then it comes down to an “opinion” whether it was ball to hand, hand to ball, accidental or deliberate… and how do you make those “black and white”? Simple, you can’t.

The same with fouls… unless you make it black and white, i.e. contact equals foul, your back to the “opinion” of was there enough contact to make it a foul? How can anybody judge this under black and white terms? (Especially when there’s different “gravity” on certain areas of the pitch! 🙂 )

Personally, having played a lot of rugby and ice-hockey over the years, games where putting somebody on the seat of their pants is actually a large part of the game, I find it hilarious when “ballers” all fall over with the merest of touches… using Jota purely as an example (we all have players who do it!), there is no way in hell there was enough contact for him to go down if he didn’t really want to. But, like players from all teams, he choose to.

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[sean the sailor]

Ye threeps, i was thinking that, maybe he thought he could not turn it in?

As cm says, no way should they stull be getting so many decisions wrong with var in place

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[Makaveli]

I think the Jota situation is more nuanced and difficult to see if it is or not, than 99% of calls.
I’m not married to the idea that it is a penalty. I lean towards it though, I think more than most Liverpool fans and the fact that so many LFC fans don’t, I think is pretty commendable and I’m willing to admit, potentially telling.

Trying to remember back at first time I saw it, I thought it wasn’t in real time but then in replays, I c hanged my mind.
It is after some discussion and the angles that I saw after that I doubted myself a bit.

VAR only gets a few seconds. I have serious issues with them. I don’t think they should be allowed to watch everything in slow mo. they only show the very odd one in real time.

They also seem to very often look at the worst angles for things. Im not only talking about this situation, it’s something I’ve noticed for not only Liverpool matches.

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