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Coincidently his contract expires the same time as Kloppsβ¦
Remember when they used to make a big thing about Gerrard and Klopp’s contract ending at the same time? π I could see Alonso going to Madrid after Ancelotti.
Gerrard, Rooney and Lampard join Keane and Vieira as yet more absolute top level influential PL players who couldn’t cut it in management. Kompany another who is completely out of his depth.
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Sean, Neville and Carragher are becoming quite biased these days. They both used to be quite good IMO. Carragher completely brushing over the Jota incident yesterday was pretty poor. Neville calling the first pen a dive equally bad.
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I tried to pull my arms and not catch him. I felt the contact but I don’t know what else I should do. In the end it was a penalty so there’s no point in arguing with them.
Sean, this is what Dubravka said. While he says he caught him, I don’t think he’s saying it should have been a pen, just that it was called as a pen so why argue with the decision. That’s my interpretation of what he said anyway. For me, it’s the fact he goes down so long after getting caught that just makes it look so bad. There’s no way he can’t stay up there. It’s simulation and all teams do it. It doesn’t make it right though.
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Never said there wasn’t contact, I’m saying Jota made a three course dinner out of it. Never have agreed with this opinion others may have that any contact = 100% peno… Jota could have very, very easily stayed on his feet but suddenly remembered where he was and decided not to…
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Ye i get you ed. its just so bizarre he went down. He could have just rolled it. Bizarre!i really didnt get it to be honest.
Still think nev and carragher insight etc is great ed but maybe both should stay away from utd and liverpool games lol
Chucky i was thinking there has to be more contact as why go down? Crazy stuff . I thought keeper said it was a clear pen so went with his opinion lol
Embarrassing from jota.
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Yeah completely agree they should stay away from Liverpool and Utd games Sean. It’s understandable they’re going to find it hard to be impartial in those games and them trying to hide their bias ruins their otherwise good punditry, as you say.
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Penalty or not, I definitely don’t agree that it was simulation.
He’s thrown himself down to force the ref to make the call. he isn’t diving that late as simulation that the keeper has absolutely cleaned him out of it.No, I don’t think that any contact = penalty. I don’t think anyone else here does either. I have said the exact opposite for countless other penalty incidents over the years.
Whether people think it’s a penalty or not (and most clearly don’t and affair enough), how does anyone think that he’s simulation being cleaned out of it? He is so obviously dropping to get the ref to make a decision on the actual contact. I mean, his dive is a full step or more afterwards.
I was joking around yesterday when I was calling Jota a diver and a cheat etc. I do think that he wanted a penalty for the actual contact that the keeper made. Now, whether he deserved one or not is another matter. He didn’t dive. Its not simulation.
He wasn’t pretending anything.
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I don’t like the whole Carra + Neville project. It’s Sky’s effort to create drama between the 2 biggest supported clubs in the country. The sport has enough natural drma, they don’t needs this theatre style banter. I also don’t like Roy Keane on Sky. The odd time we get something amusing but again, it’s all theatre. He’s playing a part more than the is giving his own natural reaction to things. It’s all overblown and fake.
I know people love it and that’s a shame. The sa,e people who all wet themselves over all these unreality shows… It’s all dumbed down rubbish.
I kinda miss the old days of punditry tbh.
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I really don’t think the term “cleaned-out” could be used in connection to a peno when everybody needs to look at 17 different angles to try and confirm any contact was even made…
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I never said he was cleaned out of it.
and you’re making the same fucking point as me lol.
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Just saw ‘cleaned-out’ twice…
So we’re both wrong? π
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Yeh I think Carragher is getting a bit irritating now. As Mak says, thereβs a lot of fake melodrama that can then be cut up into YouTube clips to get clicks and views. Just stick to the football.
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After watching the Jota penalty again. I find it baffling how even with technology in place, that isn’t considered simulation.
Almost every single person who has contributed to this thread has said it wasn’t a penalty. Yet officials some how believe it was. That is why I believe corruption is involved.
Not just going by yesterdays incident, but many others throughout the years since VAR has been in place. English football is only where controversy seems to be attached to it.
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CM, I think it’s just stupid bureaucratic rules that because the on field decision was a penalty and because the replay still showed contact, they couldn’t overturn it. I don’t think anyone was brave enough to overrule it. Few people tend to speak up (though I dont think the audio has been released yet). Look at the goal that should have stood in the Spurs Liverpool game – I think there was only one voice that spoke up and then the culture was then “we couldn’t do anything now because of the rules.”
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The main issue I have is I have seen those incidents not given. It is just inconsistency.
Here is another example
The same bloke said this wasnβt given because it was too close though https://t.co/WS3U0b6O1P pic.twitter.com/qBttYWGGxo
— Si Lloyd (@SmnLlyd5) December 28, 2023
It is not just different refs having different opinions. It is also the inconsistent of the same ref awarding 1 incident and turning a blind eye to the exact same incident weeks later.
If it was a 1 off then fair enough. But it is regularly happening.
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The whole problem is inconsistency cm, always has been without var.
You look at the ones you highlighted and the pen utd got in fa final last season. All to close . Every team is getting some for and againest. I dont buy for one minute any conspiracy. Its just shit refreeing and incompetency. Its disgraceful
If there was an favourtism joelinton gets a yellow on monday then the 2nd he got senda him off.
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Totally agree with Wasplicker, consistantly inconsistent due to incompetency, no conspiracy.
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But wasn’t VAR job to remove these inconsistent call. I reckon refereeing has got a lot worse since VAR has come in.
Dalot is another example, he was booked twice with a space of 10 seconds for dissent. Which is fair enough, the same game, Nunes kicked the ball away after he was given a yellow for fouling Evans, sarcastically clapped the ref and no 2nd yellow. I have seen other games where players have reacted the same, yet nothing given.
Refs with the support and technology in place, should not be getting these calls wrong.
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You won’t get consistency from generic refereeing on the pitch and Var won’t intervene unless its necessary.
There’s ‘good cop’ ‘bad cop’ referees. So one player getting away with something one match, may be met with punishment in another.
Different Refs have different styles. One might be more flowing, the other may whistle blow habitually.
The handball is one of the worst rulings. How did Rodri get away with it against Everton 2 seasons ago?
Offsides is another one.
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No i totally agree cm mate. The kicking tye ball away one is not enforced all the time.
I just dont think any refs are just to get any team. There has been some horrendous decisions this season for all teams. Look at the decisions againest wolves? Clear pen v utd, a pen given againest sheff utd and Newcastle for dives.
Biggest thing var has ruined for me as a supporter is you cannot celebrate. Minimal offsides, slowing down challenges, the inconsistency with grabbing in the box and the handball rule which is a joke
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