Week 9: Return of the Spuds (hopefully!)

[Luckydestiny]

I have seen a few similar posts on varied threads seeming to suggest that solskaer’s job is on the line depending on this one result, ie get battered and he is sacked. Any one else think this is stupid?

I mean I will be absolutely clear that Solskjaer is imo not good enough for utd, but why would it take a battering off the champions of Europe to prove this to the utd board?

I know Jose was sacked after losing to pool but my feeling is the decision was made before then and it was decided to wait until after the pool game to make the change, I dont for one second believe that one loss was the reason Jose was sacked and I think similar with Ole, If utd lose to pool and he is sacked it will have very little to do with the game imo, and would have been decided before, if that is not the case then utd are officially as stupid as they are profitable.

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[Luckydestiny]

Sean I agree the Derby isnt dead at all mate, if its dead because one team is challenging for the title and the other is miles away then it has pretty much always been dead as that has normally been the case anyway, except utd have been the ones challenging and pool have been the ones lagging behind. Just because that has reversed it doesnt do anything to change the fact that this is Liverpool versus Manchester united.

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[Mikus LFC]

I suspect the manner of the result will determine whether the Utd board see the situation as “not as bad as we thought” if a fairly positive performance/result, or “much worse than we thought” if a very bad performance/result. It will be a good indicator of exactly where Utd currently are under Solskjaer. My guess is that it will be somewhere in between. But I think the axe falling is inevitable at some point. The one thing I’d worry about from Utd’s point of view is the board getting caught with their trousers down whilst talking to a new prospective manager whilst Solksjaer is still in charge, much like Spurs some years ago when they were caught talking with Ramos whilst Jol was still in charge. Never a good look.

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[steveosnakeeye]

i think Ole is safe not opnly from this result but for a while yet, the club keep stating support and they wont want liverpool being responsible for sacking a second manager!

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[threeps]

I think Ole will be safe for now but I fear the writing it on the wall for him, definitely if this form continues. Theres a lot of talk about Allegri taking over who I believe is a disciplinarian with history of falling out with players. But he is also successful and maybe a kick of the arse of some of their players is what’s needed.

If Ole does come under serious threat I think the decent thing for us non Utd fans is to have a whip round for one of those planes. #saveourole

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[steveosnakeeye]

3ps, i would prefer a “bring back moyes” plane 😉

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[Anonymous]

The reason I say the derby is dead is not because of league positions. I dont remember the last time I enjoyed watching thus fixture. These matches are just dull affairs now. As I said, I hope its going to be better now but i wont hold my breath.

Sky will always big these games up, regardless. There are too many supporters on each side, with it having historical value too.

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[Chelsea.man]

The Ferguson match fixing claims are character assassination at best. there is no way that Ferguson would engage with such low act. he is better than that. i’m not one of his biggest fans,but he is the most successful manager in English football. he pays £30k to have a hair cut.

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[Editor]

Whilst I’d never wish to lose to Liverpool, I’m terrified of us winning. I know it’s controversial but there is always a slim chance of winning games like this due to the sheer atmosphere and size of the game being enough to motivate the players with or without a top manager. A win would massively paper over the cracks though and make the board think things are rosy again.

I’m a big believer in removing a problem once you know it’s never going to work and everyone knows Ole isn’t good enough so why delay the inevitable.

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[threeps]

Who would you take Ed? Allegri?

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[Luckydestiny]

everyone knows Ole isn’t good enough so why delay the inevitable.

Agree with the first part of that ed, but there is good reason to delay the inevitable if the right manager isnt available right now. If you accept that top 4 is out of the question this season whether Ole is in charge until May or is sacked today, then appointing the new manager now may be counter productive as things will not get much better with the squad he will inherit this season and ideally you would be wanting to go in to the new season with a brand new manager on top of a great transfer window and full of positivity. There is always a risk that appointing someone now could result in negativity towards the new manager before the end of the season, we are talking about players that got Jose and Van Gaal the sack mate, and they really are as top drawer as you can get in terms of managers. When are utd going to realise that appointing great managers isnt the solution, backing them is.

Funniest and most stupid argument I have heard regards utd, and one made by G.Neville, is that utd have tried top managers and it didnt work so need a new direction!!! It is laughable but Neville has argued it multiple times and seen it on forums too. Really twisted logic.

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[Chelsea.man]

They would have appointed Giggs in the first place. because he seems to had better understanding in coaching the team. that is one trick that United missed. now if you want a new caoch go and grab the Liepzeg manager. that young man is doing well in Germany. next Klopp?

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[Editor]

Yep Allegri would be my choice.

Lucky, I’ve never been a fan of that idea that you only get rid of someone when there is someone better lined up. Sometimes, it doesn’t matter how good or bad a manager is, once they’ve lost the dressing room or are unable to motivate the players any more, a change of some kind is needed. If that change means bringing in a caretaker (ala Hiddink at Chelsea or Ole himself at Utd) until a replacement can be found then so be it. Players often perform better for caretakers for the simple reason that it’s a change from whatever wasn’t working.

I’d be all for getting rid of him and bringing in someone to steady the ship until the summer. It’s exactly what we should have done with Ole, rather than giving him the job when he had the inevitable (albeit prolonged) new manager bounce.

Utd were blinded by nostalgia and the fact that people were “smiling again”. It was never the long term solution Utd needed.

So, I wouldn’t necessarily sack him and bring in Allegri now, but I’d sack him and bring in a caretaker until the end of the season where we assess what needs to be done. Laurent Blanc or someone temporarily. A steady pair of hands. Even Carrick would be worth a try. It’s about halting the decline for now, not making the right permanent decision IMO

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[Editor]

Yep Nagelsmann is a good shout Chelsea man. Utd supposedly already watching him

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[Editor]

Someone like Bielsa would at least be entertaining!

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[Luckydestiny]

Thats fair enough ed and I understand. But it is implicit in your description of the caretaker that he would not be a top manager in his own right, no top Manager wants to be a caretaker, right? That means the guy who comes in will hardly be any better than Ole. This then puts you at risk of making the same mistake all over again as what if the uplift is good enough to get the majority of fans behind the new caretaker and motivates Woodward to give another mediocre manager a contract? You know that is very possible and you know who ever the caretaker would be they would have their eye on securing the job full time. What if the caretaker does even worse? That is possible too. For your scenario to really be worth it imo the caretaker would have to do better than Ole but not too much better. If he does worse, the change will be a mistake, if he does much better you may be stuck with another average manager next season and that would be a mistake too.

I see your argument here, but I am suggesting the board plan as though Ole is the caretaker and plan for a change in the summer.

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[nine nine nine]

Credit to Woodward for being so supportive of Ole there seems recognition that the jobs enormous and that Ole needs new players and time but of course we’ve heard it all before and all Managers ultimately end up being judged by results.

I don’t think there will be a knee jerk reaction to a bad result v Liverpool but you never know.

Most of the top Managers don’t want to take over a Club mid season so it looks likely Ole will be given at least until the end of the season or if he goes sooner a Caretaker Manager would be appointed.

Difficult one to predict on all counts.

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[Mikus LFC]

Runners and riders via paddy power. Think they’re having a giraffe with a few of these…

Massimiliano Allegri
7/4

Mauricio Pochettino
3/1

Laurent Blanc
9/1

Brendan Rodgers
9/1

Erik ten Hag
18/1

Julian Nagelsmann
20/1

Michael Carrick
20/1

Gareth Southgate
20/1

Luis Enrique
33/1

Rafa Benitez
33/1

Arsene Wenger
33/1

Zinedine Zidane
33/1

Nuno Espirito Santo
40/1

Eddie Howe
40/1

Carlo Ancelotti
40/1

Antonio Conte
50/1

Joachim Low
50/1

Jose Mourinho
50/1

Diego Simeone
50/1

Didier Deschamps
50/1

Daniel Farke
66/1

Ernesto Valverde
66/1

Paulo Fonseca
66/1

Thomas Tuchel
66/1

Roy Keane
66/1

Marcelo Bielsa
80/1

Marco Rose
100/1

Mikel Arteta
100/1

Marco Silva
100/1

Carlos Queiroz
100/1

Jurgen Klopp
100/1

Ryan Giggs
100/1

Gary Neville
100/1

Ralph Hasenhuttl
100/1

Pep Guardiola
100/1

Sean Dyche
100/1

Roberto Martinez
100/1

Ed Woodward
200/1

Paul Scholes
200/1

David Moyes
200/1

Steve Bruce
250/1

Mark Hughes
250/1

Steven Gerrard
250/1

Sam Allardyce
250/1

David Beckham
275/1

Nicky Butt
275/1

Eric Cantona
275/1

Usain Bolt
500/1

Andy Tait
500/1

John Terry
500/1

Neil Warnock
500/1

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed, was just thinking, but if Carrick would accept the caretaker job until the end of the season in the understanding that how ever well he does he has no chance of the job full time, then that would be a decent shout by yourself to be fair. I just dont see how any established/experienced managers would accept it but that doesnt go against your thinking here.

Personally I think Poch will be appointed by Utd by July next year, whatever happens in between. Just feel its the perfect fit.

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[Luckydestiny]

Nine, I think its all PR mate and short termism to get til end of the season. If utd genuinely believe with time and players that Ole is good enough then they are royally buggered imo.

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