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Well these bunch of adsholes have stopped playing for the manager.
Sack the squad before sacking the manager now.
Absolute disgrace bunch of prima donnas.
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Chelsea look like they’re turning a corner. Man Utd however…
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Told you United would turn it round. Bit lucky with the 10mins added time.
Ten Hag ? Not sure. Time will tell. Last season’s timings they would have lost. But you have to play to the final whistle.
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Yeh it’s obviously a good comeback but still lots to be worried about for Utd.
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Isn’t 10+ minutes the norm for injury time minutes now, Arsenal scored twice in the 96th minute and 101 minute earlier this season.
Bitter sweet game. Didn’t deserve that. As soon as Rashford comes off, we start attacking more and start playing like a unit. Something doesn’t seem right with him. Like I said he is either playing injured or doesn’t have the hunger anymore. If it is the latter, sell him to PSG when they lose Mbappe and we can rebuild after him. No need to keep players who are not playing for the club.
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Donβt mind adlab ,cm.
Always banging on about Liverpool/utd.
You have to enjoy those wins bigtime
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Unfortunately I cannot enjoy a win like that Sean.
All it is has done is paper over the cracks.
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oh my god of all people!
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CM
Are you happy with Ten Hag?
I would give him time despite some disgruntled fans.
I don’t think a snatched win is enough for some fans.
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I don’t know even know who you’d put in as interim manager at Man Utd if Ten Hag was sacked, let alone permanent manager. Apart from the derby vs City at the end of the month, Utd have a relatively good set of fixtures coming up to get some wins. I’m personally not convinced by Ten Hag at Utd, and his signings are putting even more pressure on him. But I think the club are just going to have to sit tight for the moment and hope for the best.
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In my opinion, the problems are not solely down to the manager. The position has become a poison chalice.
The culture at the club has become rotten. What we are seeing now is exactly what we saw when Ole, Jose and Van Gaal tenures were coming to an end. This is down to the owners letting players get their way for far too long.
The manager at times hasn’t helped, but that doesn’t excuse the lack of work rate and effort from the players. You look at how they performed last season to now, yes there was some heavy defeats, but they got 76 points(the 2nd highest points total post Ferguson).
When has qualifying for the CL become acceptable? What happened to winning big trophies.
The owners said they wanted to sell the club 11 months ago, yet we have only had 2 serious buyers. Why is a club like United only attracting 2 buyers? Is it because there has been massive neglect on other areas, which resulted in them falling behind clubs and will cost a fortune to help the club catch up.
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I don’t know who can come in and make difference. I genuinely believe Pep and Klopp would struggle because it would take them years to fix the problems in place. Pep played it well, he got rid of the egos i.e. Yaya Toure and built a team.
Same with Klopp with Sakho and others.
At United we allowed players like Pogba and Lingard get their way. Now Ten Has is setting an example with Sancho, there are some in the camp who are disappointed with the way he has been treated. So who will win in the end? It will be Sancho, just like Pogba won his battle against Jose.
Rooney once mentioned that after a disappointing defeat, himself and Carrick arrived at training the following day with Lingard and Pogba dancing in the changing room. Would Pep and Klopp ever stand up to that? United did and let them get away with it for so long.
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Thing is though CM, if Ten Hag was getting the results, there would be no way back for Sancho and most people would be lauding him for laying down the law. But he’s struggling to get results and so he’ll inevitably be struggling to demonstrate his authority. Added to that some of the players he has signed are struggling. I know we’ve thrashed this out on the other thread, but I still maintain the manager is and always will be the most important person at a club. I don’t doubt the owners haven’t helped over several matters. But one of the big reasons why some players have become untouchable if you like, is that the managerial appointments have been poor and the players start to sense they will last longer than whoever the manager is, so they inevitably become more powerful.
No matter what’s happening at a club, the manager has to get results. It’s where he derives a lot of his authority from. Mourinho & Conte had difficult spells at Spurs. Things were arguably looking a bit grim after that. Then they lost their top scorer and talisman Kane. But a very good manager comes in and the mist has completely lifted and they’re now top of the league.
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Then you ask the question, why is Ten Hang not getting the results?
People forget Pep struggled during that 1st year in charge, he lost 4 nil to Everton and struggled against a fair few sides. So did Klopp the 1st few years at Liverpool. Didn’t they lose to Wolves in the FA Cup, who were in the championship at the time. But the players were putting a shift in. The United players are not.
I mentioned Rashford earlier. Why has his work rate dropped compared to last season? Is Ten Hag telling him to do that. If players are upset with the way Sancho has been treated and have stopped playing for the manager, then it is pretty much the same old story since Ferguson left.
If the players are putting the effort in and the results are the same, then you can say the manager is not getting something out of the players. But they are not putting the effort in. It is complete contrast to last season and exactly the same fate the previous managers suffered.
I know someone who is a season ticket holder and has been since the late 60s. He says even when United at their worse in the 70s and 80s, they turned up and put a shift in. It was the players were just not good enough. He says this time round, you can tell they are not playing for the badge….it takes a few games for people to see that.
Ten Hag last season came 3rd and helped them win their 1st trophy in 6 years. That is better than what Klopp and Pep accomplished. That should give someone enough authority to prove he is capable.
If Ten Hag gets sacked for this. That is me done with this club. I am not going through another cycle of watching players who are on 300k a week, sulk around and not care. Then they will throw the next manager under the bus.
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I actually don’t think that Utd were that impressive last season. I know a few Utd fans and many conceded they weren’t that impressed even in games they won. Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea also had poor seasons last year. Its ultimately the responsibility of the manager to get results and keep the team fighting and motivated. Always has been and always will be. Utd have made poor managerial appointments since Ferguson left in my opinion. Turn that around, and the club will turn around.
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More shots, more shots on target, more possession, more cornersβ¦.
Same old for us, oppo score with first ever shot and we then srughle.
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Between October to March, United played some good football and were winning games convincingly. You cannot judge a side because 3 other sides didn’t turn up.
It is the managers job to motivate the players. They were motivated last season, reason why they got far in 3 cup competitions and ended up 3rd in the league. That is better than what any manager has achieved after Ferguson. So what has changed this season?
Ten Hag cannot babysit Sancho, who was kicked out by Pep and was fined by Dortmund for the very same reason Ten Hag has dropped him for. Sancho has next to no clout in that side, he hasn’t delivered for 3 different managers. Ten Hag gave him time off last season and brought him back. There is only so much he can do. If you create a culture where players can get their way, then no manager can come in and remove that unless he is given time and allowed to. That has an overall impact on the side and who’s fault is that? Ten Hag walked in to that culture and now the players are treating him no different to how they treated Ole, Jose and Van Gaal.
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I think Ten Hag is right to lay down the law to any player not performing. I don’t criticise him for that. There are also players who clearly do still care, and unsurprisingly, McTominay, a player who as he said tonight has been at the club since he was 5, did very much care today and got you off the hook. I also thought Garnacho looked quite bright – probably because he’s still very young and full of beans.
What has undoubtedly exacerbated the situation has been the lack of impetus from some of Ten Hag’s signings. Just one very good player can make a huge impact on the team, just like Mane did when he came to Liverpool early in Klopp’s career. And there was a time we lost him briefly I think and we really struggled without him. And I think Ten Hag is partly struggling because I can’t see many recent signings that are uplifting you. That’s what help’s sustain and build success. The problem is he’s brought some of these players in and so it adds to the pressure. If some of the reports are true that he’s a bit of a disciplinarian, I’m not sure that helps, though I know some might argue that’s exactly what’s needed, you still have to maintain harmony.
At the end of the day, you cannot sack all the players all at once. You need a manager to bring harmony to the team, get results, sustain those results, bring in players that make a quick impact, and then offload the players you don’t want gradually over time. As I concede though, I don’t see any outstanding candidates to replace Ten Hag as things stand. So he will be given time I suspect, but he’s still got to get results. You have a relatively good set of fixtures ahead now, so the ship may be steadied. But I still have my reservations in the longer term.
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STERLING Sterling. Impressive. Great win Chelsea. The good thing about the hard run ahead is we have a full week to prepare specifically for the upcoming game while our opponents are otherwise involved in high pressure European matches needing to ensure their progression beyond the Group stage. That and our lift in overall performance, increase in goal scoring ability plus the return of a few key players suggest we might actually do OK in this period and salvage some points. Things appear a lot brighter than they were only a few weeks back.
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