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Nine, this is my worry. That the officials are going to ruin far more games. We had a very obvious penalty denied against us versus Newcastle but in the end it didnt matter. What if that happens against a better team, like in tomorrows match. These clowns can send the points to whatever team they want in a close match. Now, whether it’s deliberate or not, it doesn’t matter as they are still sending points to teams who don’t deserve them, ruining the PL.
The concern with there being so many of these errors is that we’ll get desensitized to them. Spurs fans might watch the match tomorrow and shrug their shoulders at a horrendous decision and say “ehh nothing new, they did that to us also”… And by this way, it’ll become acceptable, like diving. Every team does it , so it’s “ok”.
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Sounds as if all this is screwed up. And nobody’s going to do Jack about it.
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Mak, I agree that the Gray tackle could have easily been a red card but that’s a human decision rather than anything wrong with the VAR system. VAR got both calls right for the offside goals today albeit the margins were small especially with the Spurs goal which was disallowed.
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It’s somewhat ironic that the officials are using the term “clear and obvious” in a vague way in order to hide behind it and relieve them of having to make an actual decision/overruling. I would rather take longer delays whilst the on pitch referee checks the pitch side monitor than all this. This would prevent the fear of having to keep overruling the referee from the VAR truck which would weaken the referee’s integrity. As for the Spurs offside decision today, it was farcical, there’s no other word to describe it.
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Pagan, offside is offside mate the VAR pics clearly showed both disallowed goals were offside and they were consequently ruled out.
You can’t give a goal because it was only fractionally offside.
Offside is the most undeniable element of VAR whether people like VAR or not.
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999, that’s not what I’m saying, VAR was bought it under the guise of clear and obvious errors, that’s not what it’s being used for, dress it up however you like, but don’t moan about the new handball rule as hand ball is hand ball, and that will be anywhere on the pitch in the near future. Expect more changes in the laws of the game to accommodate technology…..Pagan
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Nine, if you are caught driving 61 mph in a 60 mph zone, the police won’t stop you if they’re doing checks there because there’s a degree of error in people speedometers and the real world isn’t quite perfect. You have to build in an error margin. Real life isn’t perfect, we should stop trying to enforce it in such a way – particularly on a football pitch where people’s arms and legs positions can rapidly change from one moment to the next. The offside law was ultimately brought in to stop goal hanging, it was later used by defenders to catch attackers offside as a secondary consequence. Now it’s being used in a tertiary way in a way that doesn’t account for reality.
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From Naked Eye, First Hand, Son, does look to me a Tad Offside.
The Problem I Have though is the Red Markings. That’s just Fudging. It’s too Computer.
What We Need Is A Real Life Proper Camera.
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Anyway, all this controversy aside, looks like Rodgers is working his ‘Magic’ making these players feel they are 10 feet tall and the bees knees.
I wonder how long though will all this last. Leicester keep holding on to this 2016. It’s no fluke, but any other time now, it’s no realistically going to happen.
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Guys, look we all knew that when VAR was introduced there would be some marginal decisions that changed games there are marginal decisions in all Sports that employ technology that change games.
Today there was a marginal offside decision that went against Spurs in last season’s CL there was a marginal offside decision that went for Spurs.
Is what we’ve got now more accurate than a linesman making the call by the human eye imo yes it is. Today based on the current rules and the implementation of VAR both goals were rightly ruled out for offside.
Maybe at some stage the authorities will look at the tolerance levels or amend the rules maybe they won’t but right now what we’ve got is what we’ve got and on that basis both calls on the offside goals were correct.
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Nil, I really don’t understand you sometimes. You’re not even subtle about the idea that Rodgers is just beefing up Leicester players egos and that he has nothing else to offer.
You know, I honestly dislike so many Liverpool fans for this kind of nonsense. I fell out with most on teamtalk over Rafa and Rodgers. They are too quick to completely flip their whole world view. Was Rafa good? was Rodgers good? They were both excellent. It’s more fashionable to accept Rafa because he won the CL. Had he not won that single game though, I am quite sure that so many more would write him off as a failure.
Rodgers took a decent but not stellar Suarez and helped make him world class. he gets no credit for this, just like he gets absolutely no slack for losing both of the PL’s top scorers. I’m honestly sick to death of this attitude and it’s cause a huge section of the “fans” are like this. Klopp is great now right? Well how great would he be if next season Salah and Mane decided to fuck off and instead of getting the players that he wanted, he was told that he was getting balotelli, only?
Rodgers is a very good manager who had us playing some great attacking football, after Kenny couldnt with the same players… and what he’s doing at Leicester isn’t anything to do with him going around rubbing the lads shoulders, just the same as Liverpools success isn’t Klopp hugging everyone.
Nil, I get that you don’t like Leicester but I won’t have you brushing off Rodger’s for Liverpool and also his good start so far. You’ve needlessly brought up their league win also.. what’s up with that? You’re a little obsessed.
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Nine, I’ve been speaking of problems with the implementation of VAR, which are entirely human errors. As I’ve said previous also, being absolutely correct is not the same as being good, or even right. Pagan’s metaphor tells it best though.
The sport doesn’t gain when you can cut offside calls down to millimeters if you can’t catch the bloody obvious calls.
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So here’s how it goes, Team A is on the attack and play a through ball to their forward, he runs through on goal but the defender from Team B gets a great tackle in and the ball goes out for a corner. Team A then score from the corner. But when you look back, the initial ball is played through to the attacker from Team A he was offside, currently I don’t think it will be reviewed as it didn’t lead to a goal, however a mistake was made as the assistant refs are told to hold back from flagging tight offsides as VAR will sort them out if a goal is scored, and from that mistake a goal was scored. The argument will go “but now we have the technology blah blah blah” so eventually any possible offside will become a standard review. From there it goes to every corner/goal kick decision, then throws etc. But hey you wanted a sterile game, now you’ve got it don’t moan……Pagan
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Mak , I had recorded the game so that’s how I could watch the Grey tackle so many times. My other point was why did the linesman not flag the 3 Leicester players offside for their goal that VAR ruled out? it was a straightforward call afterall .I hope officials aren’t leaving anything close for VAR to sort out in case they get the call wrong and keep getting overruled.
Anyway a good day for a very good Leicester team, Maddison was quality throughout and they fully deserved the 3 points._____________________________
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Pagan sorry mate but I hadn’t seen your 6.30 post which makes mine sort of obsolete !!
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Mak, VAR can’t eliminate human errors mate they were in the game long before VAR was introduced.
Neither can the officials monitoring VAR for offsides give Goals that were only marginally offside.
There is now no situations where perfectly good goals are ruled out by a linesman for being offside and no goals are given that are offside that’s a benefit imo.
It’s a shame that no one wants to talk about the game which was an excellent one and had two great goals in it too but I get the anti VAR backlash hopefully in a year or two things will settle down and it will be an accepted part of the game.
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Mak @ 2:08, what was the point of even that long-winded reply?
It’s about opinions.
Pretty hard for me to soak it up where I am if ultimately I’m a Liverpool supporter.
Maybe Rodgers might take Leicester places who knows. I’m only stating what happened to us the season after despite all those signings. We were mullered on the last day with humiliation.
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“I’m only stating what happened to us the season after despite all those signings.”
We sold Suarez and Sturridge went from 2nd highest PL scorer to essentially injured all the time.
“despite all those signings”
We have since learned that the majority of those signings weren’t up to much. Lallana has had one excellent season with us and the rest were more high hopes. Lovren is decent but not at the level we thought. Origi is a good super sub but would you want him starting matches under Klopp? Would you want any of them starting under Klopp?
You’ve essentially illustrated my point here. People are biased against Rodgers. He doesn’t get the credit where it was due, it’s excused away (“Suarez is responsible, not Rodgers”) and then people refuse to give him some slack (losing the PL’s 1st and 2nd goal scorers). It’s all because of Rodgers media personality. I didn’t like the way he did interviews either but does this mean we have to write him off as a manager? Apparently it does. We like Klopp, so if he loses Salah and Mane, we’ll say that this was the reason for us not winning the league.
And yes, my response has been long winded but the amount of times that I’ve read Liverpool fans having a little go at Rodgers… It just pisses me off. I’m thankful to him for making us relevant, even if it were just for one season. I’ll say this. Rodgers would do a very good job managing this current Liverpool team. I’m not saying he’d do as well as Klopp, of course he wouldn’t but we’ve got to compare apples to apples and the quality of our signings now, compared tot hen are worlds apart. We’ve really got our ducks in a row now in all departments and we kinda didn’t have this back then.
How would Klopp do with Markovic? That’s right, he actually had him at the club, for years and I don’t think he played him a single time in the PL. Balotelli? Imagine getting him to replace Firmino. No wonder the season after was so bad.
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Nine, I don’t think anyone was expecting perfection. I certainly am not expecting for VAR to rule out all human error. It should however help to eliminate quite a bit of it. The implementation is so poor though that it’s not really ruling out any human error, arguably. Most of the time it’s doubling down with human error and for the offsides, it’s just needless and pedantic (in situations where you’re literally talking about 1-2 cm).
I too hope in a few years it’ll settle in. They really have made a pigs ear out of the implementation though, so they’ve got a lot to do.
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Just saw son goal now. Very difficult to call that.
I do agree with nine though. If it’s offside, it’s offside.
Mak, agree about Rodgers. He improved sautés as a player and saurez admits that
Very good coach. Had us playing some top class football.we just couldn’t defend
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