Week 24: Midweek Mayhem

[Anonymous]

Sean, I’ve been a massive fan of Firmino long before most. I know what he adds besides goals. I think though that he needs to get more. He has it in him and Klopp said it was worrying him. Klopp is ok though as long as he does everything else and I’m not taking away from this part of his input, it’s why he’s here. he’s a kinda unique player, I get it. I just want him to score more goals. He is scoring some big ones now and I love it but I think he needs to continue. I would even extend that to the other 2 also. We have a great defence who don’t leave in many but we win by 1 goal so often. It’s risky.

Nine, you asked Sean Directly but I’m also going to answer. KDB is it really. I’d keep Wijnaldum and Fabinho.

I don’t agree that the front 3 are beyond improvement either. We’re very wasteful and adding someone in there who can genuinely compete with the lads might buck them up a bit. Ya, theya re still excellent but they aren’t what they could be and in some cases, have been before. Salah’s first season. he was super confident and decisive. he has lost that decisiveness… he’s still very good for us but he was world class that season. Firmino also. I’ve spoken about him above. As for Mane, he’s probably just been tired the last few games but he’s generally exceptional. His work ethic is excellent.

Agreed that Milner was the best free transfer ever. I was so pleased for him that he got to win the CL. His move to Liverpool was completely justified right at that moment.

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[nine nine nine]

Sean, good shout!?

When you hit a certain level it becomes very hard and very expensive to improve on what you’ve already got. if Klopp’ looks to strengthen in the Summer and I think he will I would be surprised if it’s not the midfield area he tries to strengthen but we’ll see.

I was very impressed with Henderson last night he was inspirational. Cheers 9’s

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[nine nine nine]

Mak, putting aside the size of the likely the transfer fee as KDB has 3 years left on his contract I reckon there’s more chance of Chelsea winning the PL title this season than there is of KDB leaving City for Liverpool.

KDB is though one of the few players who could improve Liverpool which shows just how hard it will be to improve this Liverpool team.

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[Adlab]

Liverpool are champions already. Thats it.
But they could not afford KDB. Nor would City sell. I believe he is just about the best midfielder in the world today – Pogba apart(only joking) City dont have to sell anybody. They will be strengthening in the summer too to ensure we dont get caught out with crucial long term injuries.

Cup weekend! Any shocks coming. We will all be playing the second string. We have a little game coming up next week!

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[Adlab]

PS Nine.
Imagine if they had equivalent injuries to ours this season next season.
Van Dyke and Mane out for most of the season.(equivalent to Laporte and Sane)
Firmino out for long spells(equivalent to Aguero)

That might happen. Thats why no team can stand still.

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[sean the sailor]

Adlab, absolute myth that Liverpool
Haven’t suffered injuries to important players this season

Fabhino 2 months
Alison 2 months
Matip – 3 months

3 absolutely huge players for us. We have coped better with the injuries then city have.much better

People forget we did t buy anyone in the summer either. This squad had been assembled for 100m net. Bought well abd sold very well.

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[sean the sailor]

We have been fortunate that vvd and the front 3 have stayed fit

City shouldn’t be moaning about injuries considering pep has spent nearly a half a billion net since he’s come in

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[nine nine nine]

Adlab, whilst reluctant to get stuck in the middle of a whose had the worst injuries debate there’s no doubt imo that the very long injuries to Laporte circa 5 months and Sane the whole season so far has had a negative effect on City’s season.

The Laporte injury has probably been the worst one for City to cope with because it came on the back of Kompany leaving and City not replacing him in the transfer market and various injuries to Stones too which culminated in Fernandinho having to be moved into the back 4 when he’s not a Centre Back at the same time weakening City’s midfield and I expect Centre Bavk is probably an area Pep will look to strengthen in the Summer.

The Sane injury has been a disaster for the lad and very unhelpful to City but they’ve coped with it better because they had more alternatives.

Had both players remained injury free I suspect City would have made a much stronger showing in the PL whether that showing would have been good enough to keep up with Liverpool this season though is open to conjecture I do though think this season is likely to inspire the owners, Manager and players in to putting right what went wrong at City from last Summer which hopefully makes for a better title race next season.

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[Brian blue]

Adlab…I think City will play a strong team against Fulham. pep does not want to loose games and if his first choices are fit, they will play

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[Anonymous]

Exactly Sean. We had a defensive crisis in terms of injuries too. Alisson, the best keeper in the world got injured early in in our 1st proper match. That was an incredible loss but Adrian happened to do well enough to cover what was quite a long time out.

Gomez hadn’t been doing well when given a chance but when Matip got injured, Lovren came in to cover but of course he also got injured and luckily enough, Gomez just needed a few games to get up to speed. We then lost Fabinho and everyone thought we were in big big trouble (including myself) but Henderson stepped up. We lost Mane in the 33rd minute the other day but still managed to get the win, against a very fired up and honestly just good Wolves.

Adlab, you did lose Laporte now for a very long time in a horrible injury. It would be very difficult for us to cope without Van Dijk for that amount of time but to say that we’ve been lucky with injuries is just extracting the urine a little 😛

If you were to over-simplify, the difference between the 2 teams injury problems is that Pep thought he’d be fine to go into a PL season with 3 CB’s. Now… as Threeps suggested, perhaps he was looking to turn Fernandinho into a CB. If that’s the case then it’s less of silly decision.

BTW lads, I wasn’t saying we should literally buy KDB 😛 We’re talking about the type of player that would improve our midfield etc and who we’d keep.

Also, I do think we could afford him. He’d only be like 10 or 20m.

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[Anonymous]

Sean,it’s absolutely insane that we’ve assembled this team for 100m net. Klopp and Edwards. We don’t deserve them.

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[nine nine nine]

Sean, doesn’t you’re £100m net spend figure include Coutinho at £140m allegedly the fee that Liverpool recieved for Coutinho was £105m plus various bonus payments based on success etc and the full £140m is allegedly unlikely to be achieved given Coutinho hasn’t performed at Barca and is now at Bayern and likely to be sold in the Summer meaning the Coutinho fee that Liverpool received might be closer to £105m?

I doubt Barca will get anything like £105m for Coutinho come the Summer if they try to move him on which it looks like they will so it was still a smart piece of business by Liverpool and still a very good net spend based on your figures.

Personally I wouldn’t be disappointed to see Coutinho pitch up at Chelsea in the Summer as long as the fee was realistic which would need to be substantially below what Barca paid.

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[nine nine nine]

I think you missed off a couple of noughts there Mak.

In a list of the most unlikely transfers ever KDB to Liverpool would be close to the top of the list if not at the top.

A KDB type player would probably improve everyone’s team though problem is where do you find one? ?

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[Anonymous]

Nine, the add-ons were achievable and not all of them even relate to Coutinho’s performance/playing. Some of them were if Barca qualified for the CL, over 2 years etc.

Breakdown of add-on fees revealed from Philippe Coutinho’s transfer to Barcelona

As you can see, there is a significant amount based on appearance, half of which was activated. So half of that will never go to Liverpool, along with the clause that Barca pay us 4.5m if they win the CL in 19/20 (whoops).

The thing is though, I remember reading that by reaching the semi’s they activated some of the money there but I don’t have a source for that.

Anyway, if I’m correct here, we’re gotten 123m for Coutinho. There is always the chance that he goes back to Barca to play, as you said, nobody is willing to buy him for big money after his reputation in the game has collapsed.

The new manager might want him but either way, as you can see, 123m is a fair bit above 105, however, you’re correct, we should tac a bit onto the 100m net spend figure but it’s a small enough amount that it’s honestly just as impressive.

I mean look at this team compared to what it was. You’d say 500m net spend would be worth it. Well I would.

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[nine nine nine]

The devil is in the detail Mak circa £120m seems more likely than £140m.

Barca won’t get near to £120m for Coutinho if they sell him probably closer to half that if they decide to cut their losses which currently looks likely but as you say the new Manager might give him another chance which might earn Liverpool a few more £millions.

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[nine nine nine]

The devil is in the detail Mak circa £120m seems more likely than £140m.

Barca won’t get near to £120m for Coutinho if they sell him probably closer to half that if they decide to cut their losses which currently looks likely but as you say the new Manager might give him another chance which might earn Liverpool a few more £millions.

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[Anonymous]

“I think you missed off a couple of noughts there Mak.”

Not sure what this means sorry?

“In a list of the most unlikely transfers ever KDB to Liverpool would be close to the top of the list if not at the top.”

Again, I’m not saying we can or should literally sign KDB. Looking at our midfield and thinking how we could improve it, KDB would improve it, hypothetically. Ya, how do you find the next super awesome player? You get lucky probably. Gerrard grew up in the city and was a part of the youth setup since he was a kid. I tell you what, Gerrard in his prime would make this team…. We’d be unstoppable. But enough fairy-tales…

I don’t know who we should go after, I don’t watch foreign football. I’m sure there are some great players out there who could improve us and given our lack of spending over the past 2 windows, along with our 2 recent huge CL pay outs and hopefully some more good money this season, I’d say we could afford a pretty big player now.

hey who knows, maybe the MBappe stuff is right and we’re drafting up the 300m papers right now! hahah

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[nine nine nine]

Klopp is a smart operator in the transfer Market Mak and he doesn’t seem to buy big stars.I suspect he’s got a list of interesting prospects drawn up already and I would be surprised if one or two of them won’t be to add a bit more creativity to Liverpool’s midfield but that’s just me guessing.

It’s going to be a very interesting Summer transfer window imo with a number of the top 6/7 looking to be quite active.

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[sean the sailor]

No worries nine. Call it 140 net spend then which is absolutely nothing compared to city

Also city don’t have to sell their best players to buy mate. When couthino was sold , people said he was our best player but it was great business

We have bought and sold extremely well after decades of getting so many transfers wrong

Look at some of the clubs we have bought from hull, Southampton, Newcastle. It’s miraculous what klopp has done with some of these players.

Good players turned into world class players.

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[nine nine nine]

Couldn’t disagree with any of that Sean Chelsea’s net spend over the last 5 seasons according to Givemesport is circa £127m unfortunately the Chelsea squads currently not at the level of Liverpool.

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