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Yep, thinking the same 3ps. A certain footballer has been hung out in public. Not a good look. Amorim could have worded that context better and expressed something like “if my players in general don’t put the effort in training etc, they won’t be selected”.
Apparently a rumour about him smashing a TV in the Dressing Room. Yep, me thinks he’s realized this job is bigger than he probably anticipated.
A few good players there worth keeping, but boy are they awful to watch.
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There are plenty of matches still, but it’s whether or not Wolves and Leicester can start picking up points. Ipswich??? Maybe not, so the likelihood is that last place and whether one of those Big Boys get sucked in.
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It’s a dangerous game of stick or twist now with Amorim. Do you stick and let him reshape the squad in his image, which is going to need a lot of money as it’s such an unbalanced squad now? Or do you twist and start again with someone new? The risk of sticking with Amorim and reshaping the squad to suit him is his very specific way of playing which requires players who probably aren’t suited to what most modern managers play.
The thing is, we don’t have any money to spend so we’re going to need to sell to buy, hence not ruling out selling academy players like Mainoo and Garnacho. So we’ll probably end up selling our few high value assets and bring in very specific players to plat this Amorim style which could prove disastrous if it all goes wrong, as is usually the case.
For me, as long as we don’t start nearing the bottom 3, he gets a free pass until the end of the season. Give him a LWB. Someone like the guy we’re chasing at Lecce (Dorgu). If we see some signs of progress, he has to be backed in the summer. It’s a gamble but I have no idea who else we could bring in. There’s no manager available who I’d fancy to get much out of this squad.
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Iraola has to be the next one to be given the chance of a big job. You’d expect either Spurs or Utd to want him if/when either moves on from the current manager at the end of the season, if not sooner.
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Don’t know much about the Portuguese league, I would imagine it’s very similair to the Scottish, Dutch, Belguim leagues, namely 2/3 decents sides who are so far in front of the others the rest are all just cannon fodder… coming to the Prem in the a different beast entirely… if I was a chairman, there would be 2 types of managers on my list… either somebody who has won stuff in the Top 4 leagues, so either Englerland, Spain, Italy or Germany (sorry, France, you’re a 1 team league now, you’ve screwed the pooch!) or a manager who’s punching above his weight in the Prem….
Of course, a lot would depend what club I’m chairman at… but I think that’s the minimum Mr. Levy should be looking at…
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Ed, amiron should have a free hit mate. Why would they be thinking of getting rid after 3 months into the job? Ye poor start but he needs time. Eth has set the club back big time. We are talking about a full rebuild needed after 600m spent. He was a disaster never mind the two trophies, hes left the team in awful state with poor buys
You look at off the pitch. Far to much noise about ratcliffe. Total understand cost cutting but they gave eth 200m in the summer, sack hom then have to pay him millions. Crazy businesses. The dan ashworth nonsense. Behrada supposed to be the saviour and its his teams managing all this mess. Still early days for ratcliffe but hes not endearing himself to fans so far. Its just like liverpool for decades. So many bad decisions on and off the pitch
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I suspect that’s partly why a few clubs bypassed on Amorim when they had a vacancy this summer Ed.
Here is the main problem at Utd as I see it and I’ll keep saying it until I’m blue in the face. Regardless of how poor the current squad is and regardless of the mismanagement of the club over the years, they are still one of the biggest clubs in the world and there are always going to be big expectations and any issues are going to be more magnified than they are anywhere else. They still bring in big revenues. I suspect when Amorim took charge of Sporting Lisbon there weren’t big expectations on him. This is a completely different level now and these public shots across the bow towards certain players for me should be kept in house. They are just creating more headlines for the media. That’s why Utd needed a big personality who has experience of managing a big global club so they can deal with these pressures and the media. And even motivate bigger egos at the club if necessary.
As for talk of Iraola, he went to a club with pretty modest expectations and he’s now massively exceeding them. Doesn’t mean he has the skills to now walk into a much bigger club with bigger expectations and all that that brings. Spurs would be a much better bet for him because of that. Big powerhouse clubs need big managers. It’s as simple as that. And before people point to Slot at Liverpool, the money the club has spent is no where near as big as their rivals have so the expectations were never quite the same. In that sense Liverpool are more like a Dortmund than a Bayern (hence Klopp was the perfect fit). Indeed Liverpool & Utd are analogous to Dortmund & Bayern – big clubs but in very different ways.
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I don’t think Utd will fire Amorim soon, I think he might walk. Never seen such a transformation from happy to be there on day one to misery you see now. He looks and sounds to have regrets and probably knows that with not much money it’s an impossible rebuilding job.
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Old Trafford definitely needs a rebuild haha 😉 Fix that leak lol!
Jokes aside, it’s the same rinse-repeat process. Somebody is going to have to tough it out and sadly with years of residue from spending by predecessors, they are going to have to straighten out the books.
They need to hold onto players with potential, prospects and ones that do want to commit themselves long-term.
The Manager i.e. Amorim if his heart intends on staying needs to be a bit smarter in public; build a bit of a rapport with the journos and they’ll go a little easy on him and find another ‘target’.
Patience, time, all the usual stuff. Neville definitely needs to ease off. The entire spectrum surrounding all this is Positive Vibes and Energy. Everybody connected with the club need to pull together Win-Lose-Draw!!!
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Good shout, 3p’s, stay until the end of the season, blame it on his family not settling or something, and leave by mutual consent…
Of course, he’s be A) missing a pay-off & B) stiching himself up for any job outside Portugal ever again!
Maybe be won’t quit afterall… but do his best to get the boot!!
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Mikius, iarola done an unreal hob especially with all the injuries, they are nissing ten players. Still, hes had a good run but you cant get carried away unless hes doing this consistently season after season for a few years
This time 15 months ago people wanted de zebri as their clubs manager after 6 good months.
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Sean, ETH spent awfully but that’s not all on him IMO. You look at the best managers in recent years and they don’t solely manage incomings. Look at Klopp. He wouldn’t have had Salah if it was up to him. He didn’t want Salah and where would Liverpool be without Salah? There were good enough people at Liverpool to tell Klopp to do one about that Fakir guy or Werner. Who at Utd was there to tell ETH to get lost about paying that much for Antony and the like? Absolutely nobody. ETH did himself no favours in the end but I think it’s harsh judging him for the incomings when he’s never had that much power in previous jobs. Managers these days don’t have the kind of power he had at Utd. All because they live in this dream world where they want to find the next all powerful Ferguson type of manager. Hence the shift from Manager to Head Coach in the naming of the role.
Ratcliffe has had a very iffy start but by all accounts he’s been doing much of the necessary cost cutting that the Glazers felt too afraid to do and it will be continuing for a long time it seems.
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Was there no spirting director there when eth was there? He signed all players he knew. Antony will go down as the worst signing ever in the pl. i thought murthough was there? So eth could just do what he wanted. Its even worse then Ed, if eth thought antony was 86m
He wanted antony, onana, masouri, fe ligt, eriksen. He managed them all. Two players he signed in the summer were players he had coached . He had sporting directors in the summer.why did someone steo in and say zirzkee is not a nine and is pants? Hojkund 72m for a non prolific e. Eth was a disaster ed. Hes a huge part of the blame for were the club is now and so is ratcliffe and co for giving him millions in the summer to spend then sacking him and paying him off. Its farcical mate. Irs exactly like liverpool for years
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Sorry ed very harsh to call his tenure a real disAster as two trophies is to huge days out and two recognised trophies in the cabinet but i do believe hes a huge part of the blame for the shambles we see now.
Behrada/ wilcox in background bring a manager in who plays a certain way but they need to rebuild the team as they dont have the players to play that way?This is after they give eth a new contract in the summer, loads of money to spend then sack him and he gets a huge pay off. So just pissing money away.
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My point with ETH Sean is that he was a disaster in terms of talent identification and signing players but I don’t believe he should have even been doing that. He came from a very structured setup at Ajax with a proper structure. The people above him were crap so any input they had wasn’t worthwhile anyway. We brought in a head coach and told him to be a manager. I’m not saying ETH wasn’t a problem but I don’t think he’s allowed to buy those players if he goes into a well run club. Just as Klopp didn’t get his way with signings, Ten Hag wouldn’t have got those players had he gone to somewhere like Liverpool. So I don’t disagree that his signings were a disaster. I just don’t think he ever should have been given that power.
I know I’m in the minority but I still think Zirkzee might come good even though he’s not very prolific. There’s very little to be optimistic about as a Utd fan at the moment let’s be honest. But that’s the life of a football fan.
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Ed, in fairness, to early for me to right zirzkee off but he looks much more like a ten then nine,
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Threeps, amiron seems very frustrated and is coming out with some mad stuff but hes spot on about rashford
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A good transfer team obviously helps, but I think a lot of a team’s fortunes still lie at the manager’s door. Klopp inherited a pretty poor team at Liverpool and still got them to two finals in his first part season, one being a European final. The following season we signed Matip & Karius both from the German Bundesliga and Klopp was surely influential over those transfers. Our most important first signing was Sadio Mane. Klopp said on this, “In Southampton he just dominated. It was great. Sadio wanted to work with me as much as I did with him so it was a win-win situation.” Again, it seems Klopp had some influence there, and even if he didn’t, Klopp had quickly made us an attractive proposition where good players wanted to come to us.
Once you get a top manager in place, they tend to demonstrate their ability pretty quickly, and things tend to fall into place thereafter, recruitment included. It galvanizes the whole club. Indeed many point to Chelsea’s good recruitment under Abramovich but the appointment of Mourinho is what I think helped start that whole process because that got them winning and put Chelsea on the map and made them a very attractive proposition.
By appointing Ten Hag, I just think it demonstrated the club’s lack of ambition from the start because if they just hoped he could set the club alight and help to bring in top players when he’d never worked in a top league with big expectations or demonstrated big success in Europe, then that was pretty naive to say the least.
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