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Haha c’mon Threeps, you point out the bit about getting rub of the green with a few calls whilst conveniently missing where I said I thought we deserved to win. It didn’t come across as a genuine question, more having a sly little dig but if it was apologies. Despite what you think I truly do live in a positive awesome world mate, I just think c$ty will wear us down as the season rolls on ?.
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Mav I agree you lot have the squad to compete with anyone it was just Mr anti football stifling the team. Should be interesting when we come there, I think we can still beat you at your joint as your D still isn’t great & Spurs missed a lot of chances but I wouldn’t put any hard earned on it. No result bar a flogging would surprise me.
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I wouldn’t count manu out of a top 4 finish, 6 points is nothing with nearly half a season to go & they are playing with a bit of freedom now.
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Looks to me like City have had their blip and with big players coming back the next 16 games will be very interesting if City don’t go away and hold on to Liverpool’s shirt tails it will make for a very exciting climax to the PL season.
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Nine, I’d say the league is now 50/50. I still rue that loss to City. Although I actually still think City will lose or draw a game they won’t be expected to, I think Liverpool will also drop points. And if the gap drops to just 1 or 2 points, then you’d probably favour City, psychologically speaking. Therefore I just don’t think Liverpool can afford to let the gap drop to below 4 points.
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Mikus, I wouldn’t disagree with any of that mate I couldn’t call it currently.
If we go into the last 6/8 games with not much between either Club it might well come down to mental strength and that might favour City as they’ve been and done it.
But I wouldn’t even risk your money on betting on the final outcome!?
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Mikus, that is exactly how I’ve been feeling about it and you’ve just put it into words. That’s why I think this win was pretty big. It will still the lads minds a bit after the City loss.
I’m not sure on which side of the fence I’m on regards to who has the better mental strength to do it though. City have been and done it before but last season was no mental challenge. If anything, last season was just nothing but enjoyment for them, the whole way through. They rolled everyone and didn’t once have to get down in the dirt and grind something out in desperation. As Nine pointed out, some of the City players have done this in previous seasons though, which is definitely valuable.
Liverpool are the upstarts but this time we come with a strong spine. I think the likes of Van Dijk have the mentality to do anything. Still though, it’s about that first time. So, maybe City have a slight edge on us there but I don’t think it’s as significant as it might first seem.
We’ve got those 4 points and they can be gone in 2 games but it’s still a buffer. It’s still not us chasing from 7 points behind.
All things considered, ya it’s 50/50 and isn’t that wonderful!
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Rather be where you are Mak rather than where we are even after 5 PL titles.?
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A long way to go yet. Liverpool have it to lose now but they have not yet had a number of injuries to key players, all at once, which does happen.
What would concern me if I was a Liverpool fan would be the performance in the cup without key players. They might be lucky as Leicester were with no injuries who knows. But as fans will know all too well strange events can happen eg Gerrard’s slip.
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Kane out until March.
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Adlab, a few injuries and we are fooked pal. Vvd, Alison, salah are our key key players.
We don’t have anywhere near the squad depth city have so a few injuries and we are screwed. We have 4 defenders out at the minute. Milner will play right back now
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Despite the quality and depth of the City squad they themselves couldn’t cope with the injuries they suffered. That was the main reason for their blip. There are some players you just can’t replace Fernandino Aguero De Bruyne etc.
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Nine. You are right. We have done well to maintain challenges on four fronts.
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As far as ideology and logic go for a Team trying to compete at the highest level in all 4 playing competitions, the quality in depth of the squad is your answer.
By no means I’d want to be a damp squib, but I have noticed on observation of body language, those individuals who are not selected in the starting 11 or don’t feature as frequent showing their dissatisfaction, impatience and boredom. Mahrez being one of them last night.
Now whether or not if this is the case whether they are accepting and will endeavour to pull together, or whether it reaches a point of them showing their frustration, I don’t know. If this rubs off on to more than one player, this is where the Manager finds himself with the challenge in trying to reassure people or just be straight with them.
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Haha nine what do you mean c$ty couldn’t cope with eir injuries, they are 4 points behind us after our best EVER start to a season. Any other club gets injuries to a couple of their top players over an extended period & they certainly aren’t close to a team that’s had 1 loss. Liverpool lose VVD Salah or Mane we are screwed, they were without 5 or so of their top players at once & look where they are.
No one can match them for quality in depth, they’ve spend unbelievable money & it’s pretty much guaranteed they will be at the top of the table just about every season._____________________________
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“A long way to go yet. Liverpool have it to lose now but they have not yet had a number of injuries to key players, all at once, which does happen.”
We currently have 4 defensive players out injured. All 4 are lads who would be starting (as a result of injuries) but I don’t see it as a endgame scenario for us. Klopp put Fabinho in as CB the last day and it was like he was born to do it. I do tend to go on about players, however I’ve a pretty good track record I think. Consider Fabinho gone on about. He’s a a really good player and I’d have him in our best 11 now.
Of course though, injuries to our forward players would be much harder for us to deal with. I think everyone knows that we’re good now. Nothing about us is exactly ideal though, as we’re developing from a position of having a weak squad. We no longer have a glaring weakness there but it’s just never going to be a perfect situation and we’ll just have to get on and go with whatever happens.
In an ideal word, Liverpool go out and sign another player who can play along that top 3 but our manager doesn’t like big sprawling squads. He could have one if he wanted but he prefers the problems that come with smallers squads than those that come with ones where top players don’t get to play.
Adlab, it’s good to see in your words that you take us very seriously. Both our teams have come a long way over the last few seasons. Klopp surprises me all the time and the latest one is that we might actually be worthy of a genuine title challenge.
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“Rather be where you are Mak rather than where we are even after 5 PL titles.?”
I’m not going to argue with or against you. We all want our teams to be successful now, so we can feel it now… however, we’ve not won a PL title yet. I don’t have those memories, yet. Will it be this season or the one after (or the one after again). i think it’s safe to say that Liverpool fans are equal parts tired of looking at the horizon and also loving what Klopp is doing with our club.
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Comparisons to City in general, they have the strongest in depth and that covers every playing position albeit GK (maybe).
For example, no Benjamin Mendy, but they have Vincent Kompany.
If we lose Van Dijk, we have to make do with Lovren.
If we think about this although Managers have changed, players like Kompany, Aguero, and Silva have lots of years of experience behind them and of course quality and have remained with the club.
Liverpool I feel are not quite the finished article as far as the squad goes and if we are to improve, then to compliment Van Dijk, we’d be needing this summer another centre-half. There is also room for a Top Class Striker.
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I get where you’re coming from Nil and I’d agree in general terms (maybe focusing on up top) but I do’t think we need to sign a new/top CB. We’ve got the 2 best CBs in the league already. How many times has Gomez played at a similar level to Van Dijk? Quite a few. He didn’t cost £75m though and isn’t the focal point of the media as a result. Gomez is already one of my favourite players. I don’t know what else I can say about him that won’t sound utterly ridiculous but he’s an absolutely brilliant player and I’d not replace him for anyone. I think we’ve definitely missed him so far and might suffer further in his absence. He’ back soon enough at least, so we’ll have that absolutely insane pace back there again but with a cool head (unlike Lovren). With assurance (unlike Matip). Strength and calmness, just like Van Dijk.
He’s the unsung hero of our defence so far. I used to say it was Robertson but the media has blown up about him more and more (rightly so).
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Mak, you’re absolutely right about Gomez mate in how far he has come through.
Admittedly, I made a mistake in my post by completely forgetting about him (doh!), purely because I’ve not seen him in the first 11 for quite some time and Lovren just propped up in my head (silly me).
I would say though, it shows, we could do with somebody as a reinforcement and somebody solid who knows what they are doing and are reliable.
It just shows too looking at Klopp’s reign at the helm comparing to Man City, they were already streets ahead and we were in the rebuilding process.
In his first full season too in 2016-17, if you remember during the first half of that season, we were actually challenging at the top with Chelsea, but the lack of depth in our squad weakened us, and we had a unlucky January as a result.
Last season we were close to finishing second and City were just emphatic in a league of their own.
We’ve proved under Klopp we’re more than capable of going beyond 4th place and this is probably why he was backed by FSG. If we capture the right reinforcements in the summer, I can only see us going from strength to strength and sooner or later, we’ll start winning trophies again.
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