Week 2: CL & the crappy one the Goonies are in…. :)

[Anonymous]

Good for me? saucy pup. see lads. you cant criticize certain players.

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[Mikus LFC]

Threeps, I’m afraid in this era where Guardiola has effectively reached footballing perfection with regards to his philosophy, we have to deal with that. Any other era, we’d all be out toasting how great we are – and rightly so. But the bar is where the bar now is. And “kept fighting” for the league, as impressive and admirable as it is, ain’t the same as winning the league.

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[Anonymous]

Mikus, Man Citys rule demands perfection in order to beat them. It’s only correct that you should look to the strengthens and weaknesses of your first 11. Who’s the weakest player in our first 11 now? This season so far, it is Henderson. That’s why watching every minute is “good for me”, as Threeps put it.

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[Nike19]

Mikus, that’s the ultimate underlying feeling.

A fair few near misses for Liverpool over the course of time as far as the League Championship goes and of course, not winning it since 1990.

Last season was the closest and putting it into context from our POV, freakish.

And agreed on the point of Pep. He is relentless like the T1000 (Terminator 2 Analogy) as to us guys being slightly tender.

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[Nike19]

Being candidly open about this, in my mind as far as this season’s title race goes, I believe the head-to-head meetings with Man City will determine where the league goes be it, points and psychology.

We can go on about the Everton and Manchester United draws, plus the blip in January to Leicester, but Pep was stringent at Anfield and credit to him. Plus, he won on his own Home Soil.

It does factor in we can’t be dismissive.

We have grown though in our ability to be conservative. Like Napoli a couple of weeks ago, we fell asleep just that tad bit early.

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[Anonymous]

I don’t rate our team based solely on what they win. They are gre4at markers for points in your progression and are obviously very handy in that they create snapshot memories. Ultimately though, I track the teams progression. There have been seasons where we’ve won nothing and I’ve been happy and other times where I’ve not been happy and we’ve won something. Rodgers season is for point 1 and Kenny’s season is for point 2.

Threeps, you undermine my position by suggesting that what I’ve said is flippant. I’ve held this position bar for a few months int he middle where hendo was playing to an extremely high level. The amusing thing about this is that you or your kind haven’t accused me of flipping or of being partial to over-reacting when it suited your agenda.

When Hendo started performing, where were these kind words?

I’d suggest that in future you not be offended by another’s opinion and try to have an actual discussion instead of writing them off, as I knew somebody would. If I dared to venture onto TT for this, I’d have gotten a wave of arrested developmental outrage. I’d like to think that is this the forum where you try and change my mind.

But you just write me off.

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[Mikus LFC]

Mak, as I said on a TT thread about Henderson some months ago, I think a lot of managers, particularly foreign ones, like having this extra and tactical player in the midfield. The Busquets player if you like. A player in the middle to keep it rolling over and keep possession which also makes the midfield quite packed – it’s something Lampard alluded to when asked why himself and Gerrard failed in the middle for England. Because teams like Spain had more midfielders and easily dominated England. And indeed Fergie evolved his game to use Carrick for a similar role. And in some ways Scholes was similar. And many foreign players simply could not believe it when England basically pushed Scholes out to the left and snubbed Carrick completely. So on the surface, there’s a cultural problem perhaps here with warming to these kinds of players. But why did Carrick and Scholes, not get the same criticism as Henderson? Well, Scholes had many other attributes with his passing and goals as we all know. And I think with Carrick, he simply had more creative midfielders around him that helped take care of the more creative side. We don’t. So I think that’s partly why Henderson gets more criticism, though some of it is justified, and Matip almost showed him up at the weekend with the effective forward passes he made whilst Henderson was pointing to play it safe.

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[Oz Yob]

I don’t get to watch games so I Quickly jumped on to see what happened & whilst we got up it seems we didn’t play well, is that how it went? It seems from what I’m reading we have a couple of problems that have been exposed in the last few games & we are winning ugly so to speak.
This is looking very similar to last season. Out of the blocks quickly, win ugly a few times & look like we finally have some steel, have a few off games during/after the busy Xmas/January period & drop some points & eventually the relentless city overtake us.
As for Hendo & our midfield, he’s improved & we probably have the most depth there but it’s not quality, we are pretty much same same with our midfield players. (Fabinho is one of the best at his job though, I’m with Sean that one). Against the vast majority we could probably get away with it but city are just better than the majority & as Ive said the last couple of seasons their quality in depth is why they will win the EPL again.
It’s not just the EPL that’s becoming predictable, New England patriots will win the NFL, New Zealand will win the Rugby Union, barca or real will win their comp, juve will win, Celtic win win theirs, roosters will win Oz rugby league, canterbury crusaders will win the club rugby union in Oz & NZ, it goes on & on & is why I watch F all sport any more.
Take care all, talk soon

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[Anonymous]

Mikus, the game has changed a lot over time. I don’t have much of an opinion on Scholes but he is considered to be one of Utds greatest ever players. A team that won countless PL titles. Carrick on the other hand was a distinctly average player and that’s where I stop talking about him.

As for the suggestion that the others around him aren’t good enough, so he doesn’t look good. That’s an argument that would fall flat on it’s face for literally any other player in the team. It’s not just about creativity. He’s been poor in general. He’s lost the ball in dangerous situations an alarming amount of times.

There’s a marked difference between the responses of individuals on on here. Recently I criticized another favourite player of mine (Fabinho) and was told about why he’s so good. See, it’s not hard to say why a player is performing well. I was nit-picking on a few mistakes he made, whilst acknowledging that he was playing well in general. There was no “good for you” petulance from Sean and someone else (I forget who sorry) in their rebuttal. They stated their position on it and left it at that.

Hendo had true value last season. He was genuinely dynamic. He’s not been like this at all this season and I think we’ve played enough matches now to come to a solid conclusion that it’s not good enough. The season isn’t 8 minutes young. This is a large enough sample set to determine someones input, especially on the back of some extremely close results.

It is time to replace Hendo . If this upsets you and you feel the need to lash out then too bad. This is a forum for stronger willed people who can at least partially tolerate another’s opinion, even if that means that at first you must break that opinion down in a long discussion (yay forums).

EDIT : in case it isnt clear, Im not talking about you for some of this, Mikus 😛 I’m talking in response to threeps and any other Hendo purists.

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[Mikus LFC]

Oh I’m pretty much with you on Henderson Mak, I was looking at it more to explain why I think Klopp has used him so much and why I think he’s been criticised more than the other players I mentioned, though he can be useful in high press games. In some ways you saw the best and worst of him tonight. He looked quite good in parts of the first half with his passing because he had more space in midfield. But second half was dire – he was the complete opposite of his supposedly steady solid performances in midfield – giving it away and running like a headless chicken but unable to win it back, so much so that Klopp had to bring him off.

Thought Roy Keane was very good the other night in terms of what should generally be expected from a midfielder, if you didn’t see it:

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[Anonymous]

I think I can answer your question as to why Klopp has kept him here for so long. It’s because out of the players he started with at the club, he had more utility than most of the others who he let go. This has value when you’re assembling a side and look, Hendo is not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. He’s just not good enough when you’re looking to move forward. I will say that the second half of last season was an exception because he had found his old role again and was offering a lot more.

I have yet to see that this season, so if people think I’m quickly judging, I have years before this with which to wonder if he’s reverting in some way.

Style it how you might like lads, Hendo improves or he gets replaced. If we want to talk about why we’re not doing as well as we were but Hendo is off-limits , then you’re in the wrong place.

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[Anonymous]

Interesting clip here and Im still watching it, so no comment just yet but tell me this… aren’t sky trying to build Roy into the Utd job? They definitely are. Every since that rebuttal to Carra a short while ago.. ppfff

You can do anything gradually.

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[Chelsea.man]

I have to say that, i’m happy for the win last night. how much we needed that? now we go against Ajax with a good motivation. then again the issue of set-piece has been our undoing. but thankfully we managed to pull another rabbit out of the hat. but our defensive problem has now been narrowed down to set-pieces. that is a good step in the right direction. also i have been impressed with Zouma last night. especially his performance in the second half had been encouraging. he has been winning all of his aerial duels in the second half. his confidence is coming back little by little. and may be that injury has made him lose a yard of his pace. plus he has Tomori who is also an excellent defender next to him.

I was happy for Willian who had been getting the stick from some Chelsea fans. he seems to be spending more time in the box now. and that is one influence that Frank is having on him. and he has now scored back to back goals, and huge ones. if Frank can continue to get the best out of him and CHO who has now two assists and a goal in 3 games since his return. then we could be into something. the young lad James has also been impressive, although he was nervous at a times, but with time and more games, he will be a natural successor to Azpi for sure.
Alonso seems to have worked on his defensive deficiency, but still he lack pace, but he is a vital cog in the Lampard set up. and the fact that he now has Tomori who is vigilant enough and not Luiz is a plus for him. his attacking runs are very important.

And finally, i have seen the old Kepa now,he is also hitting form at the right time. he has saved us many times. and a little bit of fun, Courtois got sick when he conceded his 57th and 58 goals in 43 appearances for Real Madrid? it’s now official all of the established players who have left us are all struggling. Courtois, Matic, Luiz, Hazard, Mata makes you wonder is Marina this genius or is it a coincidence?

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[nine nine nine]

Mak, If Sky were really trying to build up Roy Keane for the United job they are wasting their time there’s more chance of Rafa being offered it.

Which actually wouldn’t be a bad idea.?

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[steveosnakeeye]

that pool game was more like a 5 a side game, talk about end to end, great for the neutral and Salsburg have some tidy players

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[Adlab]

Very interesting comments from Liverpool lads. Generally I agree. Liverpool, like City will beat most teams. Like last season much will be determined by head to head results and injuries.
At the moment we have key players out fof long periods. However we are muddling through. Liverpool have not had Allison for a few weeks and not suffered.
Liverpool have not as yet had any other key injuries..Mane, Salah, VVD for example all at the same time. There is such a long way to go as yet. Both teams will be there at the end.

On another (more biased) matter, Im hoping they give OGS more time, Sorry Ed! I think the job is too big for his skills.

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[maverick1973]

Its official,S.Mane is either not a human being or he is on fecking batteries! Does he ever get tired? The best player in the world for the last year or so,but we now know why Messi won it.I thought with SB and MP gone,there wont be anymore votes being stolen.

One more thing,that Haland boy is a very talented player,strange no EPL team has been in for him.

ps:any relations to Alf-Inge Haland???

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[steveosnakeeye]

its his son goose, the lad was born in leeds

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[maverick1973]

CM-TC has been a disaster since his move to RM,howeever,give EH7 some time,matey.He has been injured for most of the summer and just moved to the biggest sporting institution on earth,where expectations are crazy.Im sure EH7 will come good,he still has got 3-4 years @ the top left on him.

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[Anonymous]

Tammy Abrahams first goal inn Europe… Massive for him and club. Massive…

So, if Lampard gets it right, he has a crop of players who have beaten every type of side through the age divisions to senior team, most of that side are together and getting minutes inn the pitch.

The introduction of Loftus cheek will be game changing alongside CHO who really needs to show fans he cares about the club. What this does mean is that the older “bought in generation” bar Willian, need be be moved on ASAP as they’ll never be compatible with the young team. Which means a lot of things for CFC transfer business, but the club has saved itself the best part of 200 million by appointing Lampard for this season and, next, should he survive the loss of form owners mood swings.

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