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Worst thing about that? Some bloody City fan won a ton… π
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Great performance from spurs.
Sky sports are a fucking disgrace. Non stop talking about poch to United. The Man U media machine is in overdrive. Embarrassing behaviour.
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Very impressive from Spurs Everton is not an easy place to go and get anything from let alone a 6-2 win although perhaps Everton got ahead of themselves in trying to go head to head with Spurs.
Son MOM for me and I agree with Mak 6 points off of Liverpool snd 4 points off of City means Spurs are still in the title race albeit as outsiders currently.
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Thereβs a lot of conveniental wisdom banging around in many outlets. Look, City are a undoubtedly a very strong, talented and effective side. But Iβve thought for sometime that there was a weakness there in terms of leaders and somebody to really drive them through passionately on the pitch. Many have to keep revising their opinion on both Liverpool and Spurs as each team continues to impress. Theyβre by no means perfect and both have areas they could do with improving on, but to win a title you need drive, passion and quality. All 3 teams have varying levels of each of those thing, and each of those qualities is equally as important as the other. When Man Utd were winning multiple titles, they werenβt littered with quality. But they were very effective and had incredible passion which drove them over the line time and time again.
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Spurs would be worth throwing a 10er on. All the time that it’s been “Liverpool this” and “man City” that, Spurs have been going about their business quietly. The Sky BS about Poch to Utd, agreed.. outrageous and disrespectful. Why do they devalue the league like this? I’ve never liked Murdoch and his crap and this is all part of it. You can talk about The S*n til the cows come home but it’s this bollox who’s built/directed these shite media sensationalists to be the way they are. Operating as designed.
I don’t like it one bit. I mean, look at Skys post match coverage of the Liverpool Utd game. The Irish football panelists called them out and said that they avoided the crux of the issues. If it were another club and another manager, they’d have said “ya, he’s obviously got to be fired” but they danced around it and avoided any hard truths. It has nothing to do with respect either, cause as demonstrated with the Poch shit, they’ve got none. They are a shoddy, loathsome entity and I smile from ear to ear when I remember that i don’t give them any of my money.
rant over.
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Agreed Mikus. I’ve not said that Man City lack certain mental traits as such but I’ve posed the question many times that they just weren’t tested in a way where character would be required to get them over the line. They swept over the league and were out of sight long before the mind games were even present. That’s not the case this season and so far they are looking like it may be a potential weakness. It’s hard to tell as of yet though because of the injuries. I mean, De Bruyne was very determined to get them back in the game the last day. He started making them tick for sure and I’ve already alluded to the mental strength that Aguero has displayed in the past but they will have to face these tests if they are to win the title this season.
I would say that we could also struggle in similar ways. i think with Van Dijk we have a certain air of authority from him that is extremely helpful but without creating a Henderson sized rift on here, I just don’t feel that he’s much of a captain. As I’ve said on the other page and I’ll say again, I think he’s a good squad player and that is where I’ll leave it. Do we need more leadership from someone else, or is Van Dijk enough? I think it might help to make it official … but that’s another story!
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Everton should stop playing tennis with Spurs,might just loose 6-2,lol.
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Mak, I think undoubtedly Van Dijk exudes more authority than Henderson and I suspect he has more presence and respect amongst the other players. He may seem quiet but he clearly exudes a figure that others naturally look up to. Fabinho also has been starting to exude a similar aura about him more recently. Thatβs really why a captain needs to also be a top quality player to have that influence and wow factor on to the other players.
To be fair to Henderson, whilst his actual quality and captaincy credentials can certainly be argued about (I have criticised him myself as you know) I actually think his professionalism and work rate are very important because as I say, passion is also an important component on the pitch and you also need that reliability to call upon. Same with Milner.
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That’s what you want to believe Mak but any team that wins the PL title no matter how they win it will have have mental strength and there are one or two players at the Club who have won it more than the once and a Manager whose won everything some multiple times both as a player and then as a Manager.
If Liverpool win the title it will be because over 38 games they were the better team not because City aren’t mentally strong enough.
It might actually work out the other way around especially if City reel the points difference in and as this Liverpool team aren’t used to being in this position. That’s why Mourinho always wanted to win the League Cup to get his players used to winning things.
Smashing set up if you’re a neutral and you don’t have to worry your way through it.?
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Chuffed as nuts with that result, but we really need Dembele, Dier and Wanyama back to help protect the back 5 with the games coming thick and fast.
Gary Neville came across like a desperate …. , there’s me thinking commentators should be impartial ,yeah right._____________________________
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You’re in the mix TBA and offensively Spurs are looking very strong. Be great to see three teams heading into the home straight at the end of the season all with a chance of winning the title.
Very impressed with Spurs today I knew we were in trouble when we didn’t draw Burton in the Semi Finals.?
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Jordan Pickford Proving yet again what an absolute liability he is. It canβt happen but he should get a retrospective 3 game ban for his challenge on alli. How the ref saw it and didnβt act in anyway I will never know.
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Mikus, I kinda tuned out on TT when the discussion went onto Fabinho being “one paced”. For me the guy seems to glide around effortlessly. I say it in a good way, not in a negative fashion. He’s really put in 3 or so TOP performances now for us and it’s bloody clear to a blind man that he’s top quality. We haven’t had someone who can both win the ball as good as him and then turn the play over to attack as quickly and effectively as him, in a long long time.
His qualities if we were to play him only as a DM would be great for that role alone. Ball winning and then if he were only distributing the ball in a simple manner, that would be your moneys worth but he’s got a lot more to offer. You could see that the guy has vision, from watching him against red Star. Look at how he spotted and distributed the ball onto Mane for the goal against Utd. That was flawless and it’s something Henderson can’t offer us. For Salah’s goal the last day, I think that is more comparable to Milner because it is a display of determination to provide something. We’ve seen similar-ish from Milner against Dortmund for Lovrens goal. I don’t think Henderson can provide us with this. Now, I would say that he’s not physically able to shift his weight quick enough to do it. he used to be lighter on his toes but he’s too bulky now for his height (in my opinion anyway).
I’ve also argued before that your captain needs to be a cut above the rest in quality and Hendo is not. there’s zero chance of Hendo remaining as captain into next season. Klopp no longer has him as a defacto starter. Put it down to the new signings settling and also the other lads improving. i just don’t get people not allowing criticism of Hendo, whilst not really appreciating Milner. i’ve always felt that Milner offers us more but the consensus has always been that he’s getting old. he’s been old for years! yet he runs mroe thna any other player in the team π I’ll stop going on. We agree about a lot there. I’m most excited about Fabinho. I’m a little worried about Keita.
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“Thatβs what you want to believe Mak but any team that wins the PL title no matter how they win it will have have mental strength and there are one or two players at the Club who have won it more than the once and a Manager whose won everything some multiple times both as a player and then as a Manager.
If Liverpool win the title it will be because over 38 games they were the better team not because City arenβt mentally strong enough.”
I never said that they don’t have any mental strength. In fact I’ve highlighted Aguero’s mental strength with his previous title winning goal. I don’t really want to spend so much time defending things that I’m not actually saying, or correcting a position that I am not taking. Ok though, besides Aguero, point taken about others also winning it more than once. They would have been tested much more in character the other times.
Your comment is suggestive of each season being equal to another, in terms of what we’re talking about (the psychology aspects). I could not disagree with this more. These aspects are definitely much more in play when you’re looking a close title race. When teams are heading into the weekend and one plays before the other, getting the win in and putting pressure on your rivals to get those 3 points, or the reverse where you answer with a resounding victory to show that you’re going nowhere. these don’t exist when a team runs away with it. If Man city were 10 points ahead in previous weeks, they wouldn’t be watching Liverpool games as keenly and vice versa.
The psychology of it will be a huge factor and this has to be dealt with along with everything else, over the 38 games. Saying that this Man City team has not really been tested in the way I’ve highlighted is not the same as saying that they are mentally weak and I honestly don’t appreciate you over-simplifying what I’ve been saying to the point where it’s not at all what I’ve been trying to communicate. maybe this is partly a failing by myself in getting my point across but I feel like you’ve got a bone to pick with me lately.
I say that not in an effort to create any kind of flare up but I would prefer that we got along like before and also that I don’t have to re-qualify my stance. I know myself that I can be a poor communicator and also that it can be annoying to hear expressions of optimism from Liverpool fans like myself. I do also delve deep a little too deep into smaller aspects and it can and has annoyed the hell out of people before but for me, this is the prime meat of football discussion. I love it.
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“It might actually work out the other way around especially if City reel the points difference in and as this Liverpool team arenβt used to being in this position. Thatβs why Mourinho always wanted to win the League Cup to get his players used to winning things.”
Absolutely. This Liverpool team has almost zero winning experience. Man City have quite a few PL title winners and Liverpool have 1? Milner won the PL when City were chased all the way. As for the LC and Jose’s attitude about it, I wouldn’t be bothered before but I do wish we were still in it now. Klopp and Liverpool have a recent history of losing finals. If there is to be a question-mark about a teams ability to live up tot he psychology, it’s going to be posed here, during a cup final.
A LC win would be a great catalyst for Liverpool right now and it’s a shame that we’re not in it. Thing is, we barely have the squad to take on the CL and the PL in a serious way, so it’s all well and good to say this now that we’re out of having to play the extra games.
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Mak, the only thing missing at City is Mendy, Fernandino, Silva, Aguero and De Bruyne once those 5 are back and playing regularly we will see a different City. Take 4 or 5 of the most influential players out of any team and it will have an impact.
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3×9, I prefer to say we are hanging on to Liverpool & City’s shirt tails rather than threatening them.
Yesterday was one of those days when the front 4 clicked and it was good to watch. City and Liverpool just have that bit extra and I can’t see anybody but them winning the title, Liverpool have been a revelation and rightly sit on top of the table . City have had a blip but they will be back and they too are a pleasure to watch.
Considering the crap going on at Spurs we’re doing ok.
A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year to all the lads and their families on Footydebate._____________________________
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All true mate and you’re a gent as always. Happy Christmas to you and yours too. Cheers 999
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Mak@3:56am do you never sleep?? Just for the record I’m not trying to over simplyfiy anything you said mate and I was just making the point that any team that wins the PL has mental strength.
The reasons City lost on Saturday imo was down to lack of key player availability, City’s failure to take their chances, a worldie of a goal from Townsend and a stupid and unnecessarry penalty given away by Walker and from what I saw of the game and despite the above I thought City played preety well.
These things happen I was at the Bridge in 2017 when Palace simarily put a spoke in Chelsea’s title ambitions by beating us 2-1 despite Chelsea taking the lead and dominating the game.
I’m sure the title race will ebb and flow right up to the end of the season I’m enjoying it, its much better than having a runaway leader. Have a great Christmas. Cheers 999
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This week ends results are good for the sake of a real battle for the top now but reading the media and some post a real danger of over analysis because of these results. Not long ago it was a case of how you stop City, I argued a case that it could be any one of 6 and still do although that maybe four now but you never know. What happens, happens and the subsequent story unfolds. Just enjoy the moment guys. No excuses for City, they were beaten..end of story. Leicester will be just as tough, so will Southampton. The difference now watching City is they still try and play there fotball, sometimes it just does not click, nothing to do with mentality, I am sure Pep will instill that or find somebody that will,Football first that is what we pay to watch.
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