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Mav@10:25 am just responding to what you posted mate.?
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Good points Mikus
It’s also worth considering how many young players Poch would play if there was any hint of pressure on him to deliver. The Spurs job is the one job I would love in the PL. You have a great squad of players, money to spend, zero pressure to deliver trophies, the best striker in the world. The best CB pair in the league, one of the best playmakers in the league etc. It’s quite easy to put youngsters in when you don’t have to win trophies.
Poch, to me, is a bit like Moyes at Everton but with greater spending power and a better squad. Always hovering around the top 4, introducing a youngster every now and again, an ok cup run here and there, everyone saying how much he could achieve with more money etc. That’s not a dig at all as I’m a big fan of Moyes’ work at Everton.
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Eddy, pop quiz, which manager was the first manager in history to not spend a penny in a transfer window? 🙂
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After spending 300mil, he shouldn’t bloody need to ?. No joking aside, that’s a fair point but as Spurs fans keep telling us, not many players could improve their first team anyway. Bringing players in is not always a positive thing. It can create settling in problems, disharmony etc.
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Net Spend, Eddy, Net Spend… 🙂
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Oh OK it’s difficult to know which one you use when ? as you were very much an advocate for Gross Spend when looking at Mourinho’s spending at Inter, which incidentally was in the plus figures when looked at as a net figure ?
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Alfie, I don’t doubt he has played a lot of the youth. But how much of that was his choice? Who knows? I certainly don’t, but I know he plays Rashford, for example over Lukaku or Sanchez, I know he plays Lingard over Mata for example. Martial over Sanchez. It’s demonstratively untrue to claim he is only playing youth as a last resort.
The club has tried to bend him towards such a thing very idealistically when he’s not really that kind of manager. Possibly. Possibly not. What’s clear is that, and for a long time, many managers and people involved in football feel that you don’t win anything with kids, and many managers don’t play kids, however Mourinho is being beaten with a stick simply because of opinion of what he is thought to prefer rather than what he is actually doing whereas those doing what people think Mourinho prefers are getting away without being beaten with the stick.
Look, I get that Mourinho is a twat, I get that 7th isn’t good enough, I get all that, but if he really is as bad as what people claim then it should be easy enough to beat him with sticks which aren’t steeped in bias, hypocrisy or bullshit.
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Eddy, Maureen’s a tosspot, pure and simple, he could open a sanctuary for down on their luck Geese for all I care, he’d still be a tosspot. 😉
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Alfie, for the record I’m not particularly anti-Mourinho, I’m just looking at the pluses and minuses. As for him not wanting to blood youth, my main point was that I think Mourinho is a here and now manager – he’s less about developing than he is about invoking his tactics and mentality on to the team. And he’ll do that on the best on what he has to work with – e.g. Mourinho may play Rashford but has Rashford significantly improved under Mourinho?
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i think the term ‘here and now manager’ perfectly describes mourinho. he is not there for long term stability. he is there to win trophies and since joining united no manager in england has won more trophies than him. his management style is about winning and being focused on the tactics. he isnt a man manager. he doesnt care if the players love him or loathe him, he just wants to win. the problem with that style is that when it starts going wrong, the players don’t have your back and when you add to that his personality and the media obsession with him, everything gets blown out of proportion. everyone knows the players he wants in the summer and you have to assume had he got them united would be a much better team but woodward didnt back him. whether its because he doesnt trust JM or he thinks he knows better we’ll never know, but either way it hasnt worked. mourinho is not a bad manager. he is a character that people dont like which stems from him being a winner.
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Couldn’t agree more Paxton. Oddly, his sheer will to win has almost become the catalyst for his downfall.
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Putting aside all his faults which are fairly obvious with the most obvious being that Mourinho is winner and reacts very badly when he’s not winning you can’t totally rubbish a Manager whose won everything he has in 4 different countries and in 2015 won the PL title for the third time and was voted Premier League Manager of the Year and LMA Manager of the Year.
I’m not sure given where things stand now that it’s not now better for both Mourinho and United to part company at the end of the Season but let’s not lose sight of the fact that United are no ordinary Club and the job of managing it is a massive one bigger than any job in the PL and one of the biggest tasks in world football and that if Mourinho goes he will be the third Manager to go since 2013 so turning the United ship around and heading if in the right direction has been a difficult task for all the United Managers appointed since 2013 so it might go just a little bit deeper than just Mourinho.
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I thought Pep won a PL title,a domestic cup,and a charity shield? That equals Jose s trophy haul,no?
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the charity shield is not classed as a competitive game. its the same as winning a friendly that you get a trophy at the end.
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Manchester United head into a crucial fixture against Arsenal with few now believing that the so-called Special One has the ability to stop the rot
What Jose Mourinho has to do in order to turn around the situation at Manchester United is quite straightforward. He needs to win more matches than Arsenal, Tottenham and the other contenders for the Champions League places between now and the end of the season. They are currently eight points outside the top four, trailing not only the rest of the big six but also Bournemouth and Everton.He needs to play better football which maximises the output of the multi-talented attacking players in his squad and pleases better the supporters whose patience is wearing thin.
He needs to foster better relationships with the players within the squad – most notably Paul Pogba. Mourinho is alleged to have described the France World Cup winner as a ‘virus’ after the dismal 2-2 draw against Southampton at the weekend.
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And he needs to get on with it all quickly, starting with Wednesday night’s Old Trafford showdown with Arsenal.Unai Emery’s team are no doubt in good spirits following a combative North London Derby victory over Tottenham. United, meanwhile, must be at rock bottom. They are haemorrhaging goals and points to clubs they should be putting to the sword.
Their draw against the Saints saw them fall two behind before a rally to rescue a result. It was the eighth time in 14 Premier League games that they had conceded the first goal.
And heading into the Arsenal game, Mourinho could well be without most of his recognised defenders with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang coming to town as the league’s top goalscorer.
The scale of Mourinho’s task is clear. Whether he’s got the knowhow or expertise to manage his way out of the hole he currently inhabits is another thing altogether. There is nothing to suggest that Mourinho can do it
The performances have been nothing short of scandalous for a club of their resources and reputation, and Mourinho is looking towards Everton as a rival for sixth place rather than to Manchester City as a rival for the title.
And if you think it’s unfair to compare the two clubs remember that Mourinho and Pep Guardiola arrived in Manchester at the same time and United are one of the few teams in the world that can match the spending power of Abu Dhabi. Consider that Mourinho beat Pep Guardiola to both Fred and Alexis Sanchez. It’s just that Mourinho is throwing good money after bad and Guardiola isn’t.
He is growing ever wearier with the press as if they have no right to question or criticise the manager of Manchester United.
His nostalgia act – whereby he points to achievements dating back 10 or 15 years as evidence of his calibre – won’t hold much longer. While he signed a contract elongating his stay at United until 2020, it would take a foolish soul to bet on him seeing that contract out.
The only answers he is offering right now are in the newspapers and on TV, not out on the pitch. Where this United squad – assembled at considerable cost – are looking for guidance and inspiration they are getting only blame and scorn.
How must players like Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Luke Shaw and Jesse Lingard feel when they read that they lack maturity? How does it reflect on the squad that Mourinho discloses to random TV stations that it would be a miracle if they could somehow haul themselves into the top four?
Once upon a time Mourinho was a motivator extraordinaire who could conjure performances from a loyal cadre of players. Those days are long gone. What is left is a husk of a manager, pointlessly pointing to trophies he won while half his squad were still children.
And, even if United do manage to upset the odds and take three points off Arsenal, chances are that it won’t be a swashbuckling display that serves to emphasise the United squad’s potential. It would probably be another backs-to-the-wall job totally dependent on the saves of David de Gea. That’s been the story of United’s season; their best results have been unlikely comebacks – like the game against Juventus – rather than dominant outings like United grew used to in the past few decades.
Seven years ago, Sir Alex Ferguson orchestrated one of the biggest wins in Premier League history against Arsenal at Old Trafford. United won that day 8-2. But go and look at the line-up. It included De Gea, Chris Smalling, Phil Jones and Ashley Young, all still at the club and still playing a part under Mourinho.
And the rest of the team was hardly United at their domineering best. Jonny Evans, Tom Cleverley, Anderson, Danny Welbeck, Nani all started. Most of the team that day were the type of United player many fans never thought good enough to play regularly for the club.
But Ferguson had a special kind of alchemy, one that brought massive performances out of otherwise ordinary players on a consistent basis. He got those individuals playing above themselves. It is the exact opposite of Mourinho, who is attempting to sign world-class replacements for players on whom he has made no improvement.
Mourinho has got to prove that he’s the guy to deliver those comprehensive performances and to deliver United the results they need. Right now, that doesn’t look like happening. And then questions are going to be asked about the viability of his tenure.
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That article should say:Jose s terminal decline only as far as United is concerned.I`m sure Jose will be successful somewhere else,just not @ United.
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@n1xer – Mourinho’s narrative seems pretty clear to me mate, every single fibre of his being wants to be out of his job, out of our club and out of our city. That being said, what he wants just as much if not more is to comfort himself on the journey back down south with the thought that he has just trousered the thick end of 30 million smackers for doing a job that any right minded supporter can only describe as a deplorable failure.Everything he has been saying and all the actions he has been taking since the summer is screaming ‘please sack me’ to Woodward and the gimps, but they are obviously unwilling to play ball with him and just allow him to be rewarded so gloriously for doing such a despicable job only for him then to pop up again a few weeks or months later at somewhere like PSG or Real Madrid as if nothing ever happened, and even if it did it was all somebody else’s fault.
You can sort of understand where they are coming from on that BUT in the meantime their failure to make the right decision has had a massive detrimental impact on our club and our season, has made us a laughing stock and resulted in almost a weekly ‘crash and burn’ scenario being played out for the whole football world to see and laugh their cocks off about, and the frightening thing is I don’t think we’re even close to seeing an end to this unholy, pathetic shitstorm yet, simple as that. This is what the majority of United fans think and how they feel about the current state of our club,on the United TT page!
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Mav, a bit desperate mate to be using Pep and the Charity Shield to now try and beat Mourinho with and as Paxton rightly says the Charity Shield is just a glorified friendly and not a proper trophy.
2015 was Mourinho’s third PL title just three years ago and there have been multiple League titles across three countries.
Throwing Pep into the mix just muddies the waters and nobody least of all me have ever denied Pep is also a great Manager but if you cast your mind back to Pep’s first season which ended with nothing to show for it there were plenty questioning his capabilities including City fans.
Nobody is denying that Mourinho is in a bad place currently and that it might not better for both parties to move on but you can’t rubbish what Mourinho has achieved throughout his career as you are trying to do on the basis of where United are now. Mourinho is the third Manager since 2013 to manage United and all of them have struggled in the United job so it’s not just Mourinho is it.
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Jose,sign him up.
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27-Yes m8,we are only talking about Jose & United,not Jose somewhere else.Im sure he will do very well somewhere else,just not @ United.Cant expect to call players viruses and them to perform for you.
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