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Nooooo… don’t put Moose on… and if you do take bloody Lamala off… (he’s making Disco look good!)
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PMSL!!! Bless, the ref’s got his magic foam out, and is trying to mark a line in the snow…
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An interesting theory floating around on the inter-web (you’ve got to love it!). Namely, the ref’s are playing “silly-buggers” with the VAR system as they quite frankly hate it, as we all do. The logic behind it (and there is an element of logic here) being to think back to all the “incidents” involving VAR lately, not just last night, and they all appear to be in the first half, and very generally towards the beginning of the game. As the game flows, the usage of VAR seems to diminish.
Moulder & Scully time or just inter-web bullocks? 🙂
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If last night was a trial run for VAR it failed miserably but something similar works well in both Rugby and Cricket. Ultimately it has to be a plus but last night didn’t help it.
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Chucky – I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I said something similar. They are cocking it up badly, and using it in ways that go against their own principles of when it will be used. No-one can be that inept.
The reason it works in cricket and rugby is because they use it to show something either occurred or not. If they are not sure they go with the original decision.
Football does not do that, they re-run and re-run the footage until they can make a guess at a decision. They also use it for subjective incidents. Even offsides are subjective, and the VAR team do not seem to understand the limitation of the technology. They don’t seem to understand about the frame rate of the cameras, or how to tell when the ball was passed\crossed etc. They take a guess at what picture to use and then take a guess at a line with the last defender and take a guess (depending on the angle of the camera) if the attacker is offside.
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Take the Morata offisde call – you can’t even see the ball FFS! And then the line with Lindelof goes under Morata, and the picture is at the angle coming back from where it should be. Take the picture from the other angle (back from the goal line) and he’ll look offside.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/nintchdbpict000388068207.jpg?strip=all&w=960
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Alfie… have to agree totally with your first paragraph. It still amazes me, us armchair warriors, get to see the incident from multiple angles in almost real time (seems the TV companies can get this done in seconds) whereas the MIB team take yonks.
Unfortunately, at the end of the day, I don’t think this is going away.
And I still think a review board with a proper pair should just dish out proper bans after the game for all “cheating” aspects, and as for the game itself, you win some, you lose some! Do believe it somewhat evens out over the course of a season.
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If they stuck to clear and obvious mistakes it would work well. But they don’t, so it’s crap.
That’s the only clear and obvious thing about VAR!
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danny rose used the right word to describe VAR last night – shambolic. there were genuinely zero benefits to it. i would have rather the ref just went with his initial reaction, even though we got a penalty for it that was wrongly disallowed, but thats another matter. the players were standing around ready to take the free kick, no one was screaming for a penalty but had to wait two minutes for a decision. it was -4 degrees last night, and they are trying to play a game of football but VAR stopped that from happening. the tech is only as good as the people using it and unfortunately its been brought in because the people using it have proven to be so incompetent. so why are they being trusted to use it?
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FIFA have just briefed the International Managers and Coaches on the use of VAR in the World Cup. VAR has yet to be officially confirmed for usage in the World Cup but Infantino is firmly commited to using it.
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Shambolic, time consuming and a absolute joke.
It could be a blessing in disguise too. Just get rid of it because it would put an end to the debate of needing video replay. It suits stop and start sports like Rugby and Cricket, where there the intensity and speed is no where near at football levels.
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Apparently PL clubs will not accept VAR for next season:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43256551
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About the only they’ve got right for years!
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I agree with CM’s point; isn’t this all ironic that the first or second signs of technical glitches, people want to write this idea off. Video Technology has been called for nearly 20 years and when finally we actually see something taking place, people just find a way to dismiss the entire concept.
Madness!
I’m not sure by looking at the image from the BBC article why there are 4 TV Monitors.
Note the word ‘trial’ which means the opportunity to either fine-tune or completely evaluate the pros and cons and find solutions to the problems.
No need for the unnecessary furore for the sake of it.
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NB, there are 4 monitors so you can see the incident from all camera angles at the same time…..Pagan
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The second spurs goal shows the importance of the full picture required for VAR. looked offside at the time, but the angle confused the commentator into thinking it was clearly onside (his words) only for the better angle to show the opposite.
Bizarre that the commentator thought it was ok to give an offside goal as being onside on the basis that the defending team didn’t appeal though. Hope they don’t get a say on any panel at a later date!
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Alfie, whilst the eventual best angle shows that he was marginally offside, was it a clear and obvious error? That’s what it’s there for, not trying to overrule an official for missing something that could only be accurately decided with various replays.
For me, and I don’t really want VAR, if we’re going to have it it needs to be for judgements of fact, which sort of makes offside very contentious as it’s not always yes no decision as the interfering part can come into play.
As I’ve said earlier, the goal should stand even if VAR was able to be used as it wasn’t a clear and obvious error….Pagan_____________________________
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No, it wasn’t clear and obvious.
Sorry, should have made it clear that I wasn’t debating the validity of the goal, or VAR, just that if they want to use VAR the angle of the camera is key.
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Alfie, totally agree, would be good if the assistant refs could keep up with the play lol, quite how a lino is meant to keep up with a player is beyond me, then that brings into effect Paralex error.
Not quite sure the technology is there for a camera to keep up with play, so I don’t think it can ever be totally error free….Pagan
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Just a quick point, VAR is for clear and obvious errors but it’s all used for every single goal scored to ensure the validity of the goal. Essentially they will look for any reason to disallow a goal. With VAR the goal would be disallowed.
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