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[nine nine nine]

Pagan, looked like a push to me too.

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[Pagan]

9, the match was not really a got advert for VAR

NB have you got any comments on the keepers push?

….Pagan

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[Nike19]

Pagan, I was lost at first in the instance you were referring too. I’m glad though, this has been brought to my attention:

What about the fact that the West Brom player has his back to goal with his sole interest to prevent Mignolet?

That’s blatant infringement/obstruction. Mignolet is trying to stand him off to allow himself breathing space and to manoeuvre.

This was obviously missed by VAR as focus was on the offside.

1:26

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[Pagan]

NB, you can stand where and how you like, which he did, he didn’t move to block the Keeper, that would be obstruction, you cant just push players out of the way thats a foul and hence should have been a penalty, thems the laws of the game…Pagan

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[Nike19]

Pagan, I honestly cannot believe what I’ve just read re your comment.

Michael Owen immediately picks up on the West Brom player who happens to be Gareth Barry.

He’s stood in that position to obstruct Mignolet and both his arms are out, something you fail to mention, yet you’re questioning me.

What does it matter what I think anyway?

It seems you have a stance on VAR and you’ve made your mind up which is fine. On this separate matter though, I’m sorry to say you honestly have misread this situation. Freeze the footage on 1:26.

The Keeper has no intention to push Barry, but has his hands placed forcefully in an attempt to try and capture the ball. After all, that’s part of the Keeper’s regiment.

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[Pagan]

Mingolet was trying to stand him off to allow himself breathing space, your words, I suggest you watch the whole incident, the Baggies player is stationary in a position that makes it difficult for the keeper to come for a cross, which he is entitled to do, Mignolet pushes him in the back with both hands, after that the palmers arms go out and he backs in.

Sorry NB you need to watch the whole incident, not pick it up from a place that is convenient for your argument. You can’t push a player just because they’re in your way. Obstruction is moving to block an opponent, not standing still to make things difficult.

…..Pagan

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[Nike19]

Pagan, there isn’t really any other place to view the incident from it’s entirety other than 1:26 which is as vivid as you’ll see.

The game was lost. I’m not gaining anything out of this. And, that call from VAR didn’t help us to win the game. It was a decision made base on common-sense and reading of the situation.

I’ve played as a Forward myself, and if I’m stood in that position, it’s because I’m ready to try and attack the ball when the corner is swung. Barry isn’t the type of player with intent to leap and head the ball.

He’s in a squat type of position, his arms are out (why?) to resist any opportunity for Mignolet to put a claim on the ball.

The right call in my view which was what you originally asked of me, so I’m sorry it’s not what you want to hear, but that’s where I stand on this.

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[Pagan]

NB, try from 1:14, Barry is there to stop the keeper coming for the ball, no intention of playing the ball, just there to put the keeper off, providing he doesn’t move it’s ok, the video on the night clearly shows Mingolet push Barry with both hands as the ball is played in. Barry’s arms go out as a natural reaction to the push.

Two things, 1 it’s a push and therefore a penalty, 2 if Mingolet had spent more time watching the ball instead of getting involved with Barry he may have actually got to the ball.

….Pagan

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[Anonymous]

Pagan, you’re really wasting you’re time.

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[Nike19]

Come again?

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[Pagan]

Paxton, I’m not wasting my time, I like NB, he’s a good lad on the whole, wears his heart on his sleeve, and sometimes his passion gets the better of him, but deep down he’s a good sort….Pagan

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[Nike19]

Pagan, I did view that 1:14, but it’s a bit hazy and I can’t see a great deal.

Have a look at 1:25. Look at Barry’s arms. You make the point of him being placed there deliberately to try and put the Keeper off. That’s the first I’ve seen in any footballing rule book.

I had many years ago somebody do this when I was year 9 year 10 because he also played Basket ball and he was using obstruction style of methods. We all collectively made it clear it had no place as far as our game went.

Notably though, no matter how much we disagree on this and exercise this to death, The Referee ruled it out.

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[Big Jim]

Not wanting to drag stuff up or stoke another argument. But in fairness to NB he did apologise for the other night Paxton. Cheers Jim

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[Pagan]

NB, I can’t belive you’ve not heard about “putting a player on the keeper”

To be fair you’d need to see the video from the night to see the push, the highlights you’ve posted don’t really show it.

….Pagan

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[Nike19]

Pagan, I honestly didn’t know about player on keeper.

Let’s put Mignolet to one side and just talk hypothetically; in the Keeper’s defence what can he do?

I remember a free kick from 2000 from Danny Murphy at old Trafford where Emile Heskey gets away with muscling his back on a United player from a wall set up to create a gap for the ball to curl in.

If VAR was to pick up on this, I reckon there’s a good chance that goal would be disallowed.

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[Pagan]

NB, yep pulling players out of the wall is another one consistently missed, that really annoys me…Pagan

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[Nike19]

Pagan, I think in summary, we’re likely to get the sceptics and the oohs and aahs.

Some may even make the point of being nit-picky and pedantic.

But if can iron out what players have got away with or something just missed in observation by the Ref, then as far as the game goes, we’d be in a better place.

Cheers

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[Anonymous]

I’m delighted to have seen VAR in action. I missed the first incident but it was really good to see the other ones being corrected. One of my biggest issues with this sport is games being ruined by poor decisions. Like you all here, I think it took too long but it’s early days and there will always be some price to pay for accuracy.

There will be contentious calls still no doubt but it’ll cut out a good 80% of the game ruining things if things go well.

I have to wonder if it’s implementation will see an end to the theatrics that we so often see?

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[paul powers tash]

Firstly I’m in favour of VAR.They’ve just got to implement it correctly.The technology is
there.So why not use it? Clean the game up once and for all imo?

Which leads me into the reason for the post.VAR will be used in the World cup
in the summer.The referee’s need help.Players/coaches too busy trying to cheat/con the ref.

Fingers crossed we’re not talking about it negatively?

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[Anonymous]

PPT – my understanding is that it has been used in some european leagues for a while now, and they seem to use it better than what we do. I would expect refs from leagues where it is already in use to be better with VAR at the WC and you will probably see those refs do the final rounds etc.

It just seems to be our lot who have trouble with it.

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