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You used to rage at the referee, now you all rage at a computer. think you Liverpool fans need to change you’ll never walk alone to you’ll never rage alone, far more apt.
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Hang on a minute, that late goal disallowed.. they said Mane handled it? It was the defender not Mane!? wtf
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They’ve ruined the sport with these handball rules though. I was thinking ok, they’ll see its onside and surely wont give the penalty and will instead give the goal. they do neither. Im glad we didnt need it but its still ruining the sport, regardless.
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If it did hit mane’s hand, it wasnt intentional as he’s trying to score. even as I thought it hit the defenders hand I was saying to myself, thats not a penalty. Its ball to hand. they have taken that out of the rules and they’ve just taken the flow of the game away, with people knowing that ANY slight contact brings an end to open play and instead imposes itself on the result with a near certain goal awarded to the opposition.
In this case I’d like to see it again and maybe from other angles but I dont see Mane’s hand touching the ball. he moved it. even then, intent must matter. they have got to bring this back into the rules.
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Ah var lost me in that game mate π
No idea what was going on π
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European VAR is meant to be a lot better. As I said though, thankfully we didn’t need it or I’d have lost it.
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For me, we’ve tried it, its made the game worse, get rid of it.
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Ya, i think so too. I would be in favour of it, if they were competent but they aren’t and it’s not even close. Get rid.
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They won’t ditch it now. We’re just going to have to wait for some proper leadership on it to shake out the nonsense areas of it. The refs can start that process. But the premier league don’t appear to be in a rush to change things:
Premier League chief executive Richard Masters said earlier this year that VAR was delivering on the “principal reason” for its introduction in improving the accuracy of decision-making.
“In key match incidents we are up to 94% accuracy with officials, 97% with their assistants, so we are seeing an impact on results and a positive impact on the league table,” he said
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55160134
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Well, that guy needs to be fired. Only a fool would think VAR is a success.
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Richard Masters is wrong, it is as simple as that. They should have kept the introduction simple, goal line technology only. To have technology inserted AND starting changing the rules was incompetence of the highest order. To introduce technology and have humans interpret less than convining evidence and further add human error of interpretation is just a recipe for total destruction of the game as we knew it. It gives carte blanche to offer some very bias views as well. It a a game…just get on with it, there will always be wrong decisions by Refs, but part of that answer is to get a higher standard of refs and there helpers. I just wish A. they would re think the new rules. B Suspend VAR until a more precise wayof interpretation can be found.. I am not holding mt great on either….it is a shambles that WILL get worseand some team will miss out on a trophy or get relegated, it will happen
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VAR has been a massive success, think of all the goals that would have been unfairly allowed if not for VAR, yahoohoho
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It is not VAR that is at issue but the way it has been implemented together with human involvement. True, it has highlighted many goals in its operation but these can be seen both ways, as we know from every week of football that is played. There is always an issue and it cannot be said it favours one or the other but does affect the game as a whole. It should have been thought through better not hoisted on the game.
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guys, make up who you want to shout at… Referees or computers. This is like a person arguing to a court who was driving at the time the speeding ticket was issued.
Brian… I think the room for margin is far smaller and more correct than the referee. So, the decisions you call dubious or could go either way are in fact all correct. you just dont agree with the margins… and if its ruined football for you, there’ll be a generation who replace us who’ll love it.
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I know that 442 but can you honestly say the management of the game now is enjoyable. The game no longer flows, every goal analysed, good or bad. If the game is going to be computer controlled for every action I have a problem with that and as an pld foggy I am pleased to have seen what I consider to be the best of the game before it succumbs You are right though, like with Music taste…the next generation will love it. The players i feel sorry for but I expect they will also adapt and invent new ways of playing……I amgoing back to my Subeto!!!!
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$$@,,,,the issue is two fold
1. Is Var technically correct in every aspect? How well does it define toe nails finger tips arms elbows ? Is 100% accuracy the final solution>?
2. The management of Var is at the very least subjective and clouded with rule change issues, in my view, this has mafe the whole thing more difficult to manage and as we witness every week now there are major issues. The point now is…yes they get some right. but that is what they are there for, but what about the wrong ones? This is my concern, they are more important to put right.All I would suggest is we go back to square one and do things with better understanding, I know, more than unlikely now so we will just keep going makeing even more mistakes at a cost to somebody
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Respone to 442. sorry my fingers not working, but VAR pulled me up!!!!!
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As Iβve said before, weβre using modern technology to enforce the laws of the game that were meant to be overseen with common sense and the human eye.
Iβve been trying to think of another sport that would really suffer if micro analysis was brought in, the only one that springs to mind is race walking. Now the urban myth is that in order to be classed as walking one foot must always be in contact with the ground, this isnβt in fact the case, the actual rule is at any time one foot must appear to be in contact with the ground, this makes it a human eye judgement and is not enforced by video.
Maybe this is the way to go for offside, even with VAR, a freeze frame, no lines and if itβs not obviously off side then itβs onside…..Pagan
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Like the idea Pagan to ditch the lines. Problem is the lines are available in the system, and so are too tempting to look at. Indeed that is a big problem – the availability of such things and this notion that we think we can reach perfection in accuracy is just too tempting to many to throw over the wayside. So they cling to it like Gollum with the ring. (Thatβs enough analogies for the moment). π
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