United v City Wednesday 24/04

[Chucky McChuckface]

Bit harsh Silly-Will-Nilly, that table you’ve based your 1,2,3,4 on only really formed over the last 3/4 weeks… it wasn’t the same last year, and I’ll bet a bag of Monster Munch it won’t be the same next year.

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[nine nine nine]

“The other point I highlighted in isolation was merely to eliminate the theory that it’s not just about throwing bucket loads of money that will ‘fix a problem’.” Spot on point too Nil.

Clubs need “Super” Managers now and the top 3 have got the very best.

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[Anonymous]

Nine, a really really good post (26th April 2019 at 8:36 am) but the “no matter where the money comes from” seems like a line where everything else was going so well in what you said until then. I see that Sean has picked you up on it so will leave it there but it really does matter where the money comes from. The rest though is 100% correct and I think Pep deserves a lot of credit for creating maybe the best side the PL has ever seen. I mean, the only reason Im saying maybe is because they haven’t won the league yet.

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[Anonymous]

“Equally annoying is the Liverpool claim about everything funded by Wee Phil… ?”

Nobody has claimed this though. He alone has brought in over £100m though but there have been and are other sales also. he just happens to be the big one. Let’s not forget that we also sold Suarez not too long before Klopp arrived.

I think the point Sean is making here is that we have had to balance the books and fund our own expenditure. That’s a lot harder to do and continue to keep the team moving up in overall quality, than to have daddy give you money for whatever your heart desires.

I don’t think we should get too wrapped up in this whole debate though. I don’t want to take too much away from a brilliant City.

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[nine nine nine]

Mak, lol that line was just to cover off Coutinho which is a bit of a default mechanism with some but I think you got all the main points I was making in general.?

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[Chucky McChuckface]

What’s wrong with that line, Micky?

As the puppy has said, there’s always been teams with a bigger pot than the rest, always have been and always will be. As much as I tease the “moneybags” club fans, I really don’t have that much of a problem with it, and there will always be a bit of an “asterix” next to anything they’ve won… and plenty of bantz on here…

I reckon we would all want the same for our own clubs, limitless supply of blank checks and all that…

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[nine nine nine]

Agree with Chucky the split of the PL by Nil is a moment in time it may well be quite different next season. Nothing lasts for ever as we all know.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Micky, suggesting “player sales” accounts for income, and therefore “earned money”, is a double edged sword my cyber chum. Sure, Klopp has sold for a fair wedge too, but unless they were all acadamy players being sold, these were players that were bought too… so you sold some at a profit, you sold some at a loss, that’s the same for all clubs.

And yes, I can take anything I want away from “City”… with all their cash and all that!! 🙂

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[Nike19]

Chucks @ 10:50. That was a summation mate of how the PL has shaped this season.

Of course that can change, but as far as the immediate future goes, I can’t see that much of a difference as I see right now a rebuilding process for Arsenal United and Chelsea, and Managerial uncertainty. E.g. Unai Emery seems to be under the Spotlight.

When there’s uncertainty, that affects stability.

Spurs though in recent years have come close and purely from a Football Supporter point of view, I’d be more than confident with an injection of 200m spent on players, you’d be challenging Man City, easily. This is because you have a good structure in Management, and players, in particular, and ethos in giving young players a platform to develop. And of late, you have a new stadium.

That’s a lot to feel good about, but of course, it’s the old chestnut of Levy undoing his purse strings on new players.

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[Oz]

manu buying Pogba etc is indeed a perfect example of not spending properly so of course you have to spend it where you need it. I’ve said many times after watching Pep & Klopp changing tactics to nullify each showed how very smart they are & they are great managers. Pep has had to gel the players & has done a great job of it. This is the last time I’ll mention money, scouts honour, but you will never convince me that the extra money city has spent isn’t the reason they are so far ahead of everyone else. Of course Liverpool spent big, they had to just to stay close. It’s no surprise the big money spenders win most of the big titles is it.
Early prediction for next season, city will spend big & will win the EPL again. It isn’t rocket science & it’s why I’m not as into the sport as I used to be.
Anyhow enough of this debate for me, I’m checking out.

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[Oz]

Oops forgot to say Chucks massive respect for your lot, you have indeed spent sweet FA & IMO are batting well above where you should be, esp in the C/L.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

No worries Oz, I know what my boys have done and I’m as proud as punch… 🙂

But, and my last word on this (and dogs can’t look up!), I think it’s a lot closer than simply looking at it in black and white as many of you are seemingly doing… there’s a lot of fine margins which would have made the table look far different than what it does… a few spring to mind, and I’m sure there are a lot more…

1) Toby scoring the winner at Anfiled.
2) Dele not getting the peno last week at City
3) Pickfords little clanger!
4) Doughnut Boy making only 13 of the 14 shots at Wembly instead of all 14…
5) Aguero missing the peno at Anfield…
6) And I bet you can all think of a lot more related to your own teams to or other matches you’ve all watched this season.

And next season, it will all be different, the footballing gods will be smiling in a different direction for sure, that’s the way it has been, and that’s the way it will be… Lady Luck can be a fickle mistress, or a sadomasochist too if you pay her enough… 🙂

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[Nike19]

😛 You forgot 11 millimetres on the ‘width’ of a white line.

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[Mikus LFC]

What undoubtedly exacerbates the problem is that as soon as a foreign club knows a rich club in the premier league wants their player, they put a premium on top because they know they can afford it, and that keeps putting the price up for everyone else further divorcing the top clubs from the rest because there’s more rich clubs around now. And it injects even more money into the game.

All this helped to obliterate the strategy of more traditional managers like Wenger who liked to bring in rough diamonds and develop them. With the increased money and competition around, this made his strategy almost redundant overnight as everyone chased the money and whilst Wenger had his faults, I always sympathised with him over this.

But something that I’ve called for is better agent representation for the players. Some agents are real scourges on the game. If you take a player like Eriksen for example – he stayed at Ajax for that bit longer when he could have moved earlier (and cashed himself in) because he had the wisdom to realise he wasn’t quite ready yet and still needed to develop. And he’s said recently that he’s open to extending his contract with Spurs. He’s everything you want in the modern professional – not chasing big bucks but looking at what is best for his football development. If all players acted as such without a lot of these agents then they’d have the courage to resist signing for top clubs if they didn’t yet feel ready in their development. Agents should not have the incentive to make more money when pushing their clients to move. That surely has to change? And it would also help money and careers being wasted.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

And then you have Emoji-man…. 🙂

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[maverick1973]

Oz-Not just the emoji-man,but Lukaku,Sanchez and a few more….

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[nine nine nine]

The only thing that is relevant now re monies spent is that it’s affordable by the Club and it falls within UEFA’s FFP rules.

Man City are currently under great scrutiny by UEFA that’s why they only spent £6.3m net on transfers this season there’s no way that City will spend more than they can afford and be able to justify to UEFA this Summer so we won’t see unjustifiable spending from City in the Summer or again.

The days of rich owners having a significant influence on transfer spending are now gone it’s now the era of the Super Manager’s who will make the difference.

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[nine nine nine]

The good news is that Pep has said in his press conference today that next season Chelsea will be better. He’s more confident than me.?

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[Nike19]

27-7-Lost only 1 and still no Title 😛 😉

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[nine nine nine]

I read today that Ole instead of taking training at Carrington pre to the City game he diverted training to the Cliff.

Somebody needs to tell Ole that his “Back to the Future” strategy won’t work it’s not 1999 anymore and even SAF trying to implement his managerial ways now if he was fit enough to do so would struggle against the quality of the teams currently at the top of the table and the high quality Manager’s that they all now have.

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