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Threeps no offence taken from me mate, we just see things differently. Some are saying it’s not about money yet the richest teams seem to win everything. I must admit my love of the game has died since city & chelsea got rich owners & simply bought success. I think we have the best manager we’ve had in decades, along with great owners & assembling a fantastic squad which will get a record number of points & still not win the EPL. I’m not bitter like some suggest, it’s jist the way things are, I hate the fact money dominates all sport these days but nothing you can do about it.
Pep knows his stuff & has made them a well oiled machine so they deserve to win titles. Maybe the C/L will be their goal next season as I’m sure that’s a major goal. We can only hope & they take their eye off the ball in the EPL because if we don’t get the holy girl under Klopp I can’t see it happening for a long long time.
Anyhow enough from me, Sean pretty much has my views so we will see what happens next season.
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Oz, as I said before there are some things we agree on, like the potential for the game to dominated by a super-rich elite few. We are not there yet in my eyes, and if we were and coupled with a money-grabbing European Super League than I will walk from the sport. A lot of my frustration isn’t with you or Sean or anyone else on this site, but others on other forums. The outcry from Utd’s defeat has been embarrassing!
Speaking of Utd and getting back to the topic of the thread, they need a total transfer revamp, a bit like Liverpool did a few years ago. They need a strategy, identify what sort of play style they want to play and get the players that fit that system. And if Ole doesn’t work out, get a manager that fits that system. No more luxury buys for the sake of it, ala Sanchez when you really needed a right sided attacker. This is where you need a good DoF that embraces the teams ideologies and has the know-how to get those players/staff, and ruthless enough to get rid of those that don’t fit or work out.
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For it’s worth, I still think (or perhaps hope!), all this talk of a European “Super League” has one fatal flaw in it. And that being the notion “neutrals” are going to want to watch “league” style matches between teams they don’t really follow that much.
As an example, would I, being a Spud fan, really be bothered about watching for example Broussia Dortmund vs Valencia, in a League match? No, I couldn’t tell you a single player from either side. If it was a “cup” match, i.e. somebody going “home” at the end of it, possibly, but no way in hell if it is Week 7 of a 14 week Euro League. Absolutely no fizz in my beans about that at all. And you could put just about any match between two teams that aren’t my Spuds into this and it would mean the same thing.
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Threeps agree mate, manu buying the likes of Sanchez & Pogba were luxury buys IMO. This is why Klopp has done so well, he bought where we needed it. Keeper, top CB, LB etc. manu do need an overhaul so hopefully it’ll take them as long as it did us to be competitive regularly.
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If I’m completely candid, I don’t even watch the majority of teams from the Prem, let alone teams from Europe.
If I put my mind to it, the Championship I could get into. No European Team on this Planet is of any interest to me.
And as far as the Prem if my own team isn’t featured, then I don’t really take that much of an interest on others unless it’s associated with for example, how it affects us challenging for 4th place, Title etc.
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Found this Post from one of the fans in which is why I myself don’t want one Team dominating the League:
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Nothing against Man City, but it gets really boring if the same club wins the league again. I’ve never seen Liverpool become champions before in my life so I would consider it a nice breath of fresh air if they did. I daresay it would be another miracle story second only to our fairytale season.No offence to Man City, but seeing them win trophies has become routine (so much for “best league in the world”). I won’t lose any sleep if they win again though. Football is just a game. We still have 7th to play for anyway and I hope Rodgers and the players keep fighting to the end. Remember three years ago when Chelsea won the league for us by frustrating Spurs to a pulsating 2-2 draw? What a game it would be if we can perform a similar feat against Man City.
Plus if we can deprive Mahrez of another PL winners medal, then beating Man City will be even more sweeter. We’ve beaten them before, we can do it again. Foxes Never Quit! “
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Those examples drawn out in Pogba and Sanchez, just proves that the so-called theory is splashing out big on a player doesn’t fix an entire problem of the Team (should there be one.
Klopp’s early signings in Gini and Sadio I must say have been 2 of his best, Sadio certainly.
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Let’s not forget that Sanchez was a great player at Arsenal and more Clubs than just United wanted to sign him at the time because of that, of course his wages are ridiculous but that was a function of the low fee due to his contract running down in the same way Ramsey will earn £400,000 pw at Juve it’s compensation to the player for not having to pay the high fee they would have cost had they not been out of contract.
There is an obsession with stating City are only where they are because of the money spent we all know that City have spent a lot of money but some posters seem to want put it into every single post they write and Wednesday night highlighted that it’s not just about how much you spend it’s about how well you spend it that matters most with both sides that took the field on Wednesday costing similar amounts with City clearly the much better side.
Football has always been dominated by the richest Clubs this is not a new phenomenon when Liverpool were dominating football in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s they were one of the biggest spenders in the then First Division thanks to the Moore’s family and Liverpool’s title challenge this season is on the back of the circa quarter of a £billion spent since January 2018 on 4 players no matter where some of that money came from.
PL Clubs that have benefitted from rich owners which many fans of other Clubs longed for too have had their spending curtailed by FFP which overall is best for the game and to be successful now you need a great Manager who is given time and who invests wisely in the transfer market it’s no accident that the best performing Clubs in the PL are being managed by the three best Managers in the PL in Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino all of whom have been at their respective Clubs for some time all of whom are doing a great job and have spent wisely in the transfer market.
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I agree Nil the circa £60m spent on those two players was money very well spent by Klopp.
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Nil@8:08am how super cool was Klopp following the City win on Wednesday night there’s a lesson there Nil.?
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Absolutely correct Nine..
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But nine of course it matters were the money cane from.
We keep couthino and add those 4 players then the team is stronger.
Your argument is always net spend yet you want to ignore it for what Liverpool
Spent recently?Chelsea and city could buy anyone they wanted until fffp. They didn’t have to sell anyone so the team got stronger
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Have had to sell to buy. We have more match day revenue with an extra 8k seats.We bring our own money in and of course it matters were it comes from
Klopp s net spend when we get the ings money will be around 120m
This year be much easier to take as ciry will have won the league based on their form and not us throwing it away.7 points is nothing with so many games left to play
Pep has assembled a brilliant team and it’s not all about money. It’s buying the right players and gelling then together.
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Sean, my point was all Clubs buy in the best players they can no matter where the money comes from and the richest Clubs have always dominated football right back to the 60’s.
I know the Coutinho money helped fund the £250m outlay on those 4 players but wherever the money came from had Liverpool not bought those 4 players they probably wouldn’t be challenging for the title now.
Liverpool’s team this season orobably cost the best part of £400m that’s not a criticism mate but Liverpool are no Cinderella team and credit to Klopp for buying and selling well.
“Pep has assembled a brilliant team and it’s not all about money. It’s buying the right players and gelling then together.” That is exactly my point Sean.
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Equally annoying is the Liverpool claim about everything funded by Wee Phil… 🙂
Klopp has spent 380 million plus, pretty sure Wee Phil was sold for far less than that (and I also seem to remember there was a shit load of add-ons too, which look like they won’t be cashed in too!)
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It’s a good point Chucky and I personally don’t like when fans say we bought X for this but sold Y for that and that means whatever. Transfers are far more complicated and as you said Liverpool haven’t received all the money for Coutinho and maybe never will. They did however pay Southampton 75m in one lump for VvD as a way of saying sorry for tapping him up and have paid nearly twice as much as anyone else in agent fees which are never mentioned during spending bragging rights. Liverpool are far from being angels in the transfer market.
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Ye so then you would agree about Poch banjo
He’s spent nearly 300m if you look at it that way
No doubting Liverpool have spent money but most of it is through sales and extra revenue from more seats.
We are run probably and it’s no Cinderella story but we shouldn’t even be competing with city yet alone win the league.
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Sean, there’s no reason why a Club whose team cost circa £400m and is managed by one of the best Managers in football in Klopp shouldn’t be competing for the title.
Liverpool are punching they’re weight now after some very shrewd transfer business unfortunately they are competing with one of the best teams the PL has ever seen.
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Absolutely Wasplicker, Poncho has spent about 100m less than Klopp in as twice as long time-frame… (all founded by Gary Bale! 🙂 )
(And with half the wage-bill too I may add!)
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Us Spuds are completely innocent of any transfer shenanigans based on the very simple fact we never buy anyone… 🙂
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If I’m guessing correctly, this discussion originally alluded to something Oz brought out in him not enjoying the Sport because of the money factor which can render dominance one-sided and eliminating competition.
Personally, I don’t really follow any other Sports where this could be the case other than Football. The way I see the PL now it’s split into their own individual groups such as:
1) Top 2
2) 4 Teams competing for 2 CL Places
3) 4 Teams probably in competing for 7th
4) And the rest basically trying to avoid relegationI felt as far as Liverpool were concerned, we were unfortunate not to finish 2nd last season because of the draws. But the defensive problems were addressed in the summer and we bought players for those positions where we felt needed strengthening.
For our point of view, we can take plenty of encouragement in how far we’ve come.
The other point I highlighted in isolation was merely to eliminate the theory that it’s not just about throwing bucket loads of money that will ‘fix a problem’.
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