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  • #42236
    nine nine nine
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      Defensive naieviety. Good game but I thought England were poor preety much all over.

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      #42237
      steveosnakeeye
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        didnt see the match but seems we deservedly lost

        999 £10m off then £10m on? 😉

        surprised stobes played, has he even played for city this year?

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        #42238
        nine nine nine
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          Stevo, ha, ha, tbh I would buy De Ligt way before I bought Maguire.

          Too many players starting for England that don’t start regularly for their Clubs ie Stones, Delph and Barkley albeit that Barkley until his error was half decent but Stones has been making the same errors now for years which is why he has lost his place at City.

          The World Cup flattered us due to the easy route to the Semi Finals realistically we are still miles away despite some exciting youngsters coming through.

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          #42239
          steveosnakeeye
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            I agree mate, we seem to have a derth of decent defenders , CB used to be a british strength

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            #42242
            maverick1973
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              Dear almighty God,just how fecking useless & overrated J.Stones is? Walker,Delph & Barkley shouldnt even be anywhere near the national camp.Play the youngsters.I didnt think there are worse defenders than Jones & Smalling,step forward J.Stones.

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              #42246
              Anonymous

                Delph and Barkley played well admit though they not world beaters but the whole England defence is a problem, you could sense they would score at anytime. England have better players available but Southgate doesn’t select them.

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                #42247
                nine nine nine
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                  I would say bar the error by Barkley at the end he was probably England’s best player last night.

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                  #42249
                  Tugay is God
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                    I Think Chillwell and Pickford were the standout players. Barkley did well though.

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                    #42258
                    Hightown hope
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                      I think last night just advertised the need for Trent and Gomez to become regular starters for England. I’m know I’m biased but if they are not a considerable step up on Walker and Maguire/Stones then I can’t judge a footballer!

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                      #42261
                      maverick1973
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                        Trent & Gomez should be starters alongside Chilwell,Maddison,CHO,Sancho…

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                        #42263
                        Hightown hope
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                          Though I guess you can’t play Sterling, Sancho and Hudson-odoi in the same team.

                          the other one who should start when fit is Loftus-Cheek.

                          Pickford (though I’m not convinced Heaton or Pope aren’t better)

                          Trent
                          Gomez
                          Stones / Maguire (maybe Keane)
                          Chilwell

                          RLC
                          Henderson
                          Barkley

                          Sterling
                          Kane
                          Sancho

                          …with Maddison, Rashford, CHO, and I suppose Alli as back up. Midfield worries me though. For obvious reasons I love Henderson, but with only Delph and Rice there as competition for his role, it doesn’t really inspire me. Can we agree that we can forget about Dier now? I guess Rose and Wan-Bissako will be the back up full backs for the time being, unless Shaw has a resurgence.

                          So overall, a decent squad I would say, but certainly not world beaters

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                          #42265
                          maverick1973
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                            Maddison ahead of RLC for me,much more creative.Stones never again,unless he improves a great deal playing club football.Same goes for Shaw.

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                            #42266
                            nine nine nine
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                              Mav, currently I would agree as RLC only has one leg.?

                              But if RLC can get back fit and well he’s going to be some player he’s got the lot. Such a shame his development was stalled by his injury.

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                              #42267
                              nine nine nine
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                                …same with Hudson Odoi this boy could be enormous hopefully the injury hasn’t set him back too much.

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                                #42279
                                Adlab
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                                  Bad mistakes from Stones and Barclay. Looking beyond club bias the problem for England is the VERY poor midfield. At City Stones is able to pass to a midfielder who can trap the ball, hold it and pass it like Fernandinho, Silva, Bernardo KDB, Gundogan etc.England have Barclay, Henderson,Delph, Rice…etc. I rest my case. The strikers get no proper service either.
                                  Bias here but the sooner Foden improves a bit the better. We have nobody like that.

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                                  #42280
                                  Pagan
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                                    Adlab, England are what the premiere league would be like without the overseas players, hopefully this will change with the next generation of players who will be coached technically rather than just physically….Pagan

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                                    #42282
                                    nine nine nine
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                                      We need to get both Foden and Maddison into the squad but that won’t happen as long as he’s not playing regularly for City.

                                      I’ve been critical of Barkley’s passing and ball retention for Chelsea but if we check the stats I think we’ll find he was one of England’s best players on Thursday night. His passing was accurate and it was a brilliant through ball for Lingard’s offside goal. Unfortunately the mistake at the end put a bit of a dampener on his performance.

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                                      #42284
                                      nine nine nine
                                      Moderator

                                        Adlab, Stones can’t get into the City team currently until he’s playing regularly for City week in week out and eliminating these errors from his game he shouldn’t be starting for England imo.

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                                        #42286
                                        maverick1973
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                                          So then,who was better,Gerrard vs Lampard vs Scholes?

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                                          #42287
                                          Pagan
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                                            Mav,

                                            Different types of players, Scholes was more physical and seemed to relish that side of the game, Lampard and Gerrard we’re more similar and there was nothing between them, both brought things to their teams, Gerrard leadership, Lampard goals. Yes I know Gerrard also scored plenty of goals but Chelsea haven’t had a consistent 20+ league goals a season striker since JFH.
                                            For me they’re all grouped together as quality players who were critical to their teams….Pagan

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