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  • #16016
    nine nine nine
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      CMan, of course and don’t get me wrong my choices in order of priority are:

      1) Hazard to sign a new Chelsea contract .

      2) if  Hazard sadly goes he goes to Real and we get top dollar for him with a quality player thrown in either Asensio or Isco.

      My comments on Bale reflect the fact that I don’t think we can rule anything in or out inc Bale being part of any deal if what was offered in it’s totality suited Chelsea.

      The good news is that if Real go for Neymar at circa £300m and they sign a top Keeper too it will make it tough for them to afford Hazard as well even with a player exchange deal.

       

       

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      #16018
      nine nine nine
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        ….Hazard staying or going will definitely be sorted out in the Summer imo.

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        #16021
        Pagan
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          9, that’s my thoughts also, his next contract will be his last big one, if he goes he’ll get a pay rise and a signing on fee and the choice of where he wants to go, Chelsea if they want to keep him need to match his aspirations both financially and competitively.
          If he won’t sign by the end of this season, then he needs to be sold to maximise his value….Pagan

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          #16022
          Anonymous

            even in the madness of the current market you guys are seriously overvaluing hazard! £200m? £100m plus bale? come on, even for this market thats crazy money.

             

            Last 3 seasons

            Hazard (27y) – 32 goals, 17 assists

            Alli (21y)- 33 goals, 33 assists

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            #16024
            Chelsea.man
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              Can you imagine a market in which Asensio is worth £133m? guess how much a player of Hazard’s ability will be worth? Hazard is £180m caliber player in today’s market. and that is a reality. which means Madrid values Bale at £80m. although i wouldn’t want him at Chelsea. i prefer one of the younger two, Isco preferably

              Come on Pax i hope you are not comparing Hazard to Alli?

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              #16026
              Anonymous

                i’m comparing their the stats of two players in similar positions playing for teams of a similar standard. one supposedly worth £200m and one worth considerably less.

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                #16027
                Chelsea.man
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                  and you don’t take in to account that Hazard missed half of our 2015/16 season and hasn’t started a game until October this season. also Alli isn’t marked like teams mark with Hazard. i doubt if Alli would score if teams had one or two players marking him every game.

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                  #16028
                  Pagan
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                    Hazard, Alli, for me they’re both great players, Hazard has proved himself over a greater number of seasons, so you know what you are getting, Alli has the potential to keep improving and is still young.

                    On the negative side, Hazard will have a smaller residual value in 5 years time, and Alli has to curb his temperament without losing his desire.

                    Value wise I taking into consideration the above and the stupidity of the current market, I wouldn’t put much between them, and as always it’s down to who will pay what….Pagan

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                    #16029
                    Anonymous

                      chelsea.man – luckily i knew that would come up so i was prepared. Over the last 3 seasons hazard has been involved in 49 goals and played 6,786 minutes, averaging 1 goal/assist every 138 minutes. alli has been involved in 66 goals and played 7,700 minutes, averaging a goal/assist every 117 minutes.

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                      #16031
                      maverick1973
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                        Asensio is a very young player and a very good one, but improving all the time.

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                        #16032
                        maverick1973
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                          £100m + Bale because Real are desperate to get rid of the likes of Bale, CR7,Modric, Benzema?!

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                          #16033
                          Chelsea.man
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                            But you take in to account that teams don’t mark him like Hazard. and besides that he has never led a title winning team. so your comparison is irrelevant. ask most manager who they will prefer. and they will tell you Hazard 9/10. teams prepare for Hazard when they are facing Chelsea. but Alli? stats can sometimes be misleading. i’m not a believer of the stats. luckily i watch both players every week. and i know who will walk in to Real Madrid team. Hazard will walk in to every team.

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                            #16035
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                              chelsea.boy – stop getting so defensive. i’m not doubting whether hazard is better. of course he is. i’m questioning why chelsea fans think hazard is worth £200m when a player like alli, who is statistically competitive with hazard and 6 years younger is worth nowhere near that.

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                              #16036
                              Chelsea.man
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                                But you could also question why Real Madrid thinks Asensio is worth £643m? i think Hazard is worth that because of his past experience and his ability. while Alli isn’t yet worth that. because he is not in that level yet. very simple. you wanted to compare those players based on stats. and that is what i was against. yes in 3-5 years time Alli will be in Hazard’s level or may be better. but for now no comparison.

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                                #16037
                                nine nine nine
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                                  Paxton, no one on here sets the transfer valuation of a player a player that the selling club doesn’t want to sell.

                                  Hazards transfer valuation will be set by how desperately Real want him and how much Chelsea  don’t want to sell him.

                                  The £100m plus Bale didn’t come from anyone on here it’s from the Sunday Express based on stories from Spain and speaking for myself I caveated it with depending if it’s true.

                                  What we do know is that Hazard will go for an awful lot of money given previous big transfers Coutinho etc  and that Real will have to move players on to create the funds they need. Hence why an exchange deal if it is to happen might suit all parties.

                                  I would be far happier with Hazard staying as I think the club would and if I was Roman I would price Hazard at £300m and say show us your money or go away. Hopefully that would be enough  to put both Real and PSG off.

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                                  #16038
                                  Chelsea.man
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                                    Now there reports that are circulating in the press today. according to the reports, Chelsea have submitted an offer for Real Madrid midfielder Casemiro who they view as the ideal partner to Ngolo Kante. and the reports add that this deal has blessings of Roman Abrahamovic. i don’t know what to say about this. i have mixed feelings about this deal also. so if we sign Casemiro where does that leave for Bakayoko? on current from we won’t even salvage half of what we have paid for. and if we buy big money with Casemiro he would be a guaranteed starter. and if Bakayoko doesn’t play his value will decrease. tough decision lie for Chelsea. but that said i will welcome Casemiro has he will give us another dimension.

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                                    #16039
                                    maverick1973
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                                      999-That’s not how things work mate,we all know that. It’s the players who hold all the powers these days! Were Liverpool able to prevent Coutinho from leaving?

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                                      #16040
                                      maverick1973
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                                        Chelsea boy- lol

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                                        #16041
                                        nine nine nine
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                                          Mav,  just because Liverpool capitulated it doesn’t mean Chelsea will. Liverpool’s owners are investors Roman isn’t and he could well say see out the rest of your contract which has two an a half years to run.

                                          I don’t think it will come to that though if Hazard is wants to join Real and they put a suitable offer on the table either straight cash or inc player exchanges I think he will go if Real don’t put a suitable offer on the table I think he will extend his contract and stay.

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                                          #16043
                                          Chelsea.man
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                                            Mav i won’t take exception with that Chelseaboy thing. I’m not that hot tempered mate.  And i don’t think if Paxton has any mischief in that.?

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