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Needs must as the devil drives. You had a transfer ban heading into this season, so if not Frank than what manager could you realistically get? I think the only decent one who you could have gotten was someone that half your fanbase absolutely loath, Rafa. The only reason I say you could have got him was because he’s a bit of a freak in that he likes a challenge, where-as any other top manager waves off when he hears that he can’t make signings, yet will still be judged harshly in his role.
It could easily have been a situation where you leaked goals and also didn’t score them. Any PL side would love to have Mount and Abraham come through for them, scoring bag loads. If you weren’t being overly negative, I think you’d focus on this and be thankful for it because it’s sustaining you. If you had an eye on titles this season though, you were always going to be disappointed.
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Steveo, no one is denying anyone of having the opinion that Chelsea’s defence has been poor over the first 6 games, that would be silly as the defence has evidently been poor. Its not really worth discussing the obvious in great length though is it?
The argument is actually whether 6 games is anywhere near enough time to make any real judgements, and given the circumstances I think it is far from enough time to do so with Lamps.
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Stevo, Frank Lampard is one of the brightest minds in the game. He succeeded against many doubters when he started playing for us, Chelsea fans questioned his value and signing in his first 18 months… Im simply questioning his ability to set up the side at the back. He is responsible for letting Luiz go. He had a rick in him and a head that wandered, but my word, he could win a header and had malice in him to Winn tackles and duels before his head gone moments. Similarly, Cahill, why wasn’t he retained until Frank came along? Timori is the future but does he look as good as when JT burst through? I hope he scales the heights. The players are to blame, they need to step up and work outwit frank is asking, but similarly, Frank Lampard needs to know when to stop flogging a dead horse in the way we’re defending and setting up to defend.
Spurs must be wondering if Poch is the right man for the job by now. How many games did they loose last season? Tighter at the back with a talent like Kane up top should be wining you trophies. How do spuds fans feel about the goings on at the back. Why is Rose et all still there?
Steve – Sadly, any views that challenge perceived thought are belittled, thanks for the devils advocate.
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any views that challenge perceived thought are belittled
Perceived thought?
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Steveo, you keep mentioning feelings and TT etc. I am ex-TT but I don’t remember 442. Maybe it’s cause I moved away from the general threads over the years and stuck mostly to Liverpool. The odd time I did chat with the Chelsea lads but I have no memories of 442, sorry π I’m questioning him entirely based on what has been said here. I just feel there is concern or a questioning mentality and then there is writing off a manager after 6 games.
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Mak… Its not pre judging, its looking at the record as its made. Derby shipped goals. Chelsea are shipping a lot more goals than we’re used to. Ergo… what conclusion do you make?
See last post on Lampard flogging a dead horse or adapting. Good managers, the likes of Jose in his first spell with us, made changes when things were going wrong. Im just going to leave this thought here. I expect to see a change in the way we defend. I think that’s fair comment.
And I dont give Frank Lampard any more time than previous Chelsea managers. The transfer ban is a good mask and distraction. Never mind Chelsea had more than 40 players out on loan to choose from so is it really a transfer ban? not in my mind.
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Can someone help me figure out how Lamps is supposed to know the best system and players for us without playing any competitive games and trying things out? He has had 6 prem games so far, that’s why this is a silly debate.
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Mak, I am pretty sure he is either BluePylon or Romansdirtypants, both of whom were banned for consistent abusive posts.
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442 you lost mentiong Luiz! he has not done many of those things for us, still think he might be a trojan horse π
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Also mak… I loved Frank Lampard the player, but I dont have to like Frank Lampard the manager. I dont confuse the two non should Chelsea fans. Because his playing record will be sullied by fans who do. Chelsea fans were also calling Lampard a judas for moving to Manchester City… So the levels of hypocrisy do amaze me at times.
United fans can say they loved OGS the player, but they can say they dont like him as a manager.
Sunderland/ Ipswich fans will attest to Roy Keane being bang average as a manager despite being a top player.
Ryan Giggs is struggling with Wales, Chris Coleman did better with them… When a players career ends, it ends, when they start a managers career, its a new career. The two dont mix and fans often make this error. Chelsea fans are currently mixing the two and fawning over a manager.
Heres one to make Chelsea fans think…
Source, bbc… Lampard has had a worse start to life than AVB. “18 September 2011: After a five-match unbeaten start to the season, Villas-Boas suffers his first setback, a 3-1 defeat at Manchester United.”
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“Makβ¦ Its not pre judging, its looking at the record as its made. Derby shipped goals. Chelsea are shipping a lot more goals than weβre used to. Ergoβ¦ what conclusion do you make? ”
That literally is pre-judging. In my mind, it’s too early to have any kind of useful conclusion. In yours, you have one. 6 games and you have come to a conclusion about Lampards reign. We can sit here and go around in circles but the line will always be drawn here.
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stevo, we don’t miss hazard at all but do miss Luiz? Does that sound even remotely like a balanced opinion? Or someone who is picking and choosing to suit his pre determined narrative?
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Lucky D… go on having fun being the Sweeny you slag.
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I see your true colours, shining through π
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Mak, thats called using the evidence isn’t it. Derby were poor at the back, Chelsea are poorer at the back under Lampard. Its not pre judging its judging as he is going along in his managerial career.
Anyhow, Im back to work. Enjoy.
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LOL Steveo. Agent Luiz giving away another penalty π
442, I actually agree with you that people should separate the player from the manager. We have our own in Gerrard. Loads of Liverpool fans assume the job is his soon. I think otherwise but we also still have Klopp and no transfer ban, so we don’t NEED to go to him just yet either.
Liverpool fans burnt Gerrard jersey when he announced he was going to Chelsea. This was right after winning the CL… Fans can be idiots. That’s not the discussion though. The discussion (at least for me) is kinda like this : “we’re here now with Lampard in charge because of the transfer ban, so we might as well roll with it.”
It’s going to be a tough tough season ahead but so far I’m actually impressed because I thought things would be worse. Leaking loads? Scoring a lot more than expected. Cant sign players? 2 superstars have come through the ranks.
There’s definitely good with the bad but you’re really focusing on the bad and as you well might be right and Frank might never sort the defence, it’s not all going wrong. 6 games is like a blood sample, not a transfusion. That team will need time and maybe signings at the back before it is all healed up.
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There’s evidence and there’s drawing up a conclusion after 6 games. it seems also that you had this conclusion before now too. I’m not even a Chelsea fan and I’ve pointed out some things that are going well for you lads. I have Abraham in my FPL team. I had no idea who he was last season when Lampard couldn’t defend.
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Yes Mak, totally see your points. As I said, I dont think Frank Lampard has any more time than any other Chelsea managers. The fact he’s had a worse start than AVB and is still in charge is a good point. I just want to see the side stop its kamikaze defending, it’s hari Kari every goal.
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Manager A) signs for Chelsea with a team capable of comfortably finishing top 4 and a hefty transfer budget to start the season
Manager B) signs for Chelsea with a team that is odds on for top 6 but not capable of comfortably finishing top 4 and full of inexperience. On top of this manager B has no opportunity to strengthen in the market.
Does manager B deserve more time and patience than manager A? Of course he does, it is only logical and to deny it is absurd.
Manager A describes every manager Chelsea have had since roman bought the club up to and including Sarri.
Manager B describes Lampard.
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442, following on from your comment yesterday regarding Derby Countyβs defence, I was bored so had a look. Derby finished in 6th place, only two of the teams above them conceded less goals, and in the whole league they had the equal fifth best defence, which wasnβt too shabby Iβd suggest. Tomori was Derbyβs Player of the year, but he did have a very experienced defender in Keogh next to him, probably mentoring him to some extent. Hopefully when Rudiger gets back and we have the same sort of partnership and with the addition of Kanye things will get better……Pagan
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