The Mourinho Effect

[Anonymous]

So there has been a lot of talk recently about the Mourinho effect and how he is already in 3rd season mode with spurs. whilst I don’t think he has excelled i really don’t think it’s as bad as everyone says and people just love to hate and want him to fail, including spurs fans. putting together some very basic figures from the league table you will see improvements in all areas, although not great, compared to poch this season.

Under Poch (12 games)
Position – 14th
Points – 14
Points per game 1.17
Goals per game – 1.5
Conceded per game – 1.4

Under Mourinho (21 games)
Position – 10th (7th if we beat Bournemouth tonight)
Points – 34
Points per game – 1.55
Goals per game – 1.6
Conceded per game – 1.2

So Jose has us higher up the table, more points per game, more goals per game and fewer goals conceded. a lot of the time JM has been without Kane, son, and Sissoko (he’s rubbish but preferred option). He has the same squad poch had minus Eriksen. since the restart, he has won 2, drawn 1, lost 1, and the draw was against the in-form team in the league right now. people say he is a 1-0 specialist but the 1-0 win against everton was actually the first under him. granted the football is awful but under poch for his last 18 months, it was just as bad. people say the players don’t look happy, but again they didn’t before he came in. the squad needs a huge change including a complete replacement of the back 4 and midfield. until then top 6 will be a struggle. sadly it won’t happen under levy.

the stadium debt is not an issue as it is structured to cost very little annually.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

I would totally agree with the notion that he hasn’t taken us backwards (although I would have to say it would take an extra special talent to take us further backwards) but I would also agree with those who were perhaps expecting a little bit more than what we’ve got for “reputation” we’re paying 15 million bottle tops a year for.

Obviously, he/they/us haven’t had a lot of luck with injuries this season (quite serious and long term injuries to at least 4 key players in Hugo, Harry, Sonny and Disco), and all this COVOID shannigans certainly hasn’t help us (or anybody for that matter so an equalizing factor at best!), but I personally expected more than what we’ve got.

Perhaps the best analogy for me would be to suggest the ship is turning, but not turning at all quickly enough for a manager of Maureens supposed quality.

It’s going to be an extremely important and challenging transfer window for Maureen, as it will be for all clubs, and he won’t be able to spend his way out of this. That lad from the Saints would be an upgrade on Disco, need to sort out N-Dumb one way or the other, and absolutely sort out RB for sure. They’re the three biggest issues to start with.

This transfer window was designed for Daimond ‘Arry if I ever saw one! 🙂

Personally, I’d be thinking 4-3-3 for next year and it wouldn’t be a huge outlay to end up with something like this depending on outgoings…

Hugo
New right back – Toby – Dier – Sessenenggsnog (give the lad a chance ffs!)
Lo Cecil – Danish Bloke – N-Dumb (need to sort out his fitness/attitude, the talent is there)
Sonny – Harry – one of Lucas/Ali/BErggjwin/Lamela

And we would still have Dinsksy, Disco, Sanchez, Davies, Tananga sitting on the bench (if some of them aren’t sold)… I thnik that covers the “major” players…

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[sean the sailor]

Spurs were so so close to really pushing on but instead of taking a step forward, they took a step back.

I think jose is out dated with his tactics. He sets up his teams in the big games not to lose and for the opposition to make mistakes. It doesn’t work anymore. Try a different way. Trying some different coaching . Be more exspansive. I keep hearing at utd he didn’t have the players and now the same at spurs. I believe spurs have good attacking players but some are playing no were near their potential. It’s up to jose to get these guys playing like they can again

Like all managers jose talks absolute shite but he’s out there on his own for the biggest hypocrite around.

He hasnt been to bad at spurs to be honest. I don’t really listen or read much about him anymore.

He needs time. Give him time and see how he gets on. At one stage he was the best defensive manager in the world.

Spurs need a whole new revamp. They need so many new players. Let’s see if he is given the time and support. He really needs it.

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[steveosnakeeye]

I still think the spuds ? have ironically followed the Arsenal Model
Both good and bad parts
Austerity, nor strengthening when you reach the upper levels
Just one year of no or poor investment let alone more sets a club to far back compared to the big big clubs and why those clubs stay big
Even United, throw cash until some finally sticks in good ways
Although they haven’t spent wisely they spend and keep spending until it is right
Most other clubs can’t do that
The likes of spuds need constant and very wise investment.
AW did the same after our invincible year .. don’t just spend to reach the top spend to stay
Also why Leicester couldn’t stay up top but just the bracket below

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[Mikus LFC]

I think the blogger Swissramble noted the big problem with austerity in football with regards to Arsenal was that because inflation is so huge, saving money is pointless because the money you save will have hugely dropped in value by the time you’re ready to spend again. Letting their big stars run their contracts down obviously didn’t help either. Players also have to see a plan and be excited by it, or else they’ll be off. I still think Jose is capable of winning the league because at the top level, it’s more about mentality than the type of football you play. Liverpool have arguably been more Mourinho-esque this season with them constantly eking out results. But will Levy ever change? What was his strategy when he installed Mourinho?

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[steveosnakeeye]

All they need to do now to complete the Model is sell Kane to rival and watch him win them the PL ?

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[Anonymous]

so since the restart, we have 3 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat. So far the only team to take points off united, beaten two league rivals (arsenal and everton) and west ham (their cup final) and I won’t put any positive spin on a draw to Bournemouth or mauling by Sheffield united.

granted the performances have been poor, some of them really poor but the results aren’t at all bad. aside from a few lapses in concentration, the defence does seem more organised the last few games with only one goal conceded in the last 3 games. don’t get me wrong, it still needs replacing but its what we have for now. yesterday was a big improvement in performance. if we can keep improving til the end of the season then I will have some confidence going into next season.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

I’ll take your logic and add a bit more… if the disallowed goal against Sheffield and the peno against Sir Harry against the Cherries was given, I reckon we would have been looking at more than 1 point from those two games… if you look at the results in purely black and white, it hasn’t been that bad… even if the footy has been atrocious at times.

Going to donate your left nut if we get the Danish lad from Southampton for DM and just about anybody for RB…

although having said that, thoughts to Weirdy Beardy… nobody deserves to that.

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[Editor]

Yeah agree with that Pax. Way too early to write him off yet. Considering the mess Poch left the side in, Mourinho has done a decent job. Will be interesting to see who he brings in this summer.

Steveo, completely agree re the Arsenal comparison. I’ve said similar myself previously

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[nine nine nine]

Spot on Chucky shocking news RIP.

“Tottenham Hotspur confirmed the death of the brother of Serge Aurier in Toulouse.

A club statement read: “The Club is deeply saddened to confirm media reports that Serge Aurier’s brother passed away in the early hours of this morning.”

“We are supporting Serge at this difficult time and we ask that the privacy of the player and his family is respected. Everybody at the club sends their sincerest condolences to Serge and his family. Our thoughts are with them all.”

Christopher Aurier, 26, was a player for Rodéo Toulouse in the French fifth division last season and had played for Racing Club de Lens, Gueugnon, Chantilly and Belgian club Rebecq.

Serge Aurier played in Sunday’s 2-1 north London derby defeat of Arsenal.” The Guardian

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[Anonymous]

so another away win, 2 goals for harry (taking him over 200 club goals) and a much-improved performance again. since Jose came in spurs have won 41 points, only behind Liverpool (59), city (50) and united (43). considering where the squad was and the fact we lost our most creative player in January i’d say he’s doing ok so far.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

I mentioined it on the other thread, but the thing that struck me about last nights game was a sense of a plan, some sort of structure going on. Not going to say it was working great mind you, but they’ve look ed a hell of a lot more “lost” in previous games than they did last night.

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[Editor]

I heard a stat yesterday on Talksport. Apparently only City and Liverpool have won more games than Spurs since Mourinho came in. If that’s true, that’s pretty impressive.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Also means everybody else must be utter shite… 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

Let’s hope Mourinho masterminds a win over Leicester on Sunday eh Ed.?

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[Editor]

Chucky, Utd haven’t been great in that period but probably the “best of the rest” during that time and unbeaten in 18 games now, so it’s still pretty good going by Mourinho to only be bettered by those 2.

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[Anonymous]

it’s especially impressive when it’s pretty much globally agreed that this spurs squad just isn’t good enough and needs a complete overhaul. sadly it seems Mourinho has taken a liking to Lucas Moura and Lamela and they are likely to stay. if we need to sell to buy I struggle to see where the money will come from as I can’t imagine our players will be in such huge demand. only 2 that would really generate anything and are currently out of favour would be ndombele and Alli. ideally, we need at least 4 new players in the first XI (LB, RB, CB and DM) but again I can’t see how we can do that.

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[sean the sailor]

What’s jose record againest ciry,liveroool, utd , chelsea, arsenal since he cane in? That was his biggest problem towards at Utd towards the end

I know spurs beat arsenal recently.

Can’t argue with his record so far. Interesting stats.

My earlier point was can he play the big teams with different tactics? Have a go at home and not concede possession and wait for the opposition to make mistakes

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[Editor]

Ndombele has always baffled me. He’s looked average for me since he came in and yet he seems to be linked with huge transfers to Barca, Bayern etc. What’s all that about? Is he another Serge Gnabry, Diego Forlan? Ie a very good player just destined to not realise his potential in this league?

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Might get some dosh for N-Dumb, but I think there’s a player in there somewhere, would like to let him have another season at least just to find out.

Not sure about Dele, that star has faded. Don’t think any of the “big-dogs” would want him and not sure if he’ll want to move sideways, or even backwards. Can’t actually see us selling him even if we tried. Not for a “decent” wedge at all.

As for LB, still want to see young Ryan get a proper run before we get A. Nother for that position, and I think we will if we can get a RB who can defend!

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