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pagan, not something I want implemented mate
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My degree is in the school of life, pal… π
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as is mine….i failed, flunked out though π
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Never said I passed either… π
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oh we KNOW you havent Nancy that wasnt in question π
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Ouch… you’re not sharing my dustbin anymore, get your own!!
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thank friday for that!
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Banjo, I dont like bookies either mate, but they know what they are doing.
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Too true, LD, never meet a poor one!
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One thing I found interesting looking back at the numbers for past champs is that for a long while it seemed as though scoring 1.7 goals per goal conceded used to put a team in contention for a title. Most of utd’s titles were won averaging just over 2 goals per goal conceded. If you look at it chronologically you see roughly a pattern of the bar being lifted.
First Arsenal come along, they didnt raise the bar that much at first from 2.00, but the invincibles did raise it to 2.81. You can see then that chelsea came along right after and as a result of being defensively the best PL ever and having a decent attack they blew all previous numbers away. You can see how utd reacted to this and how their numbers sharply increased to the 3’s in response considerably higher than what they used to show, and they regained dominance.
Liverpool and city pushed themselves to a tremendous height last year, both breaking 4.
It will be interesting to see if they both get above 4’s this year too, considering it is such a unique achievement in prem history. Liverpool currently on 4.00, city on 4.66, only 4 games gone so means little, but can they do it again? I think they can.
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I have contributed greatly to their cause banjo π
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…..by losing money, I mean
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Just a thought – there is a bigger trend now for all teams to play more open, expansive football. Does that not make it easier for the bigger boys to demolish them?
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Indeed, I think why Palace have been brought up is because theyβre a tougher nut to crack for the bigger boys.
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Mikus, I think it does if the big boys in question are sound defensively. Pool and city certainly are and so in their case I completely agree with you.
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Lucky…you would think so, re your defense comment, however , the media keep informing us how vunerable we are defensively. If they care to look at the last few seasons they have been saying this we have not done too badly with a vunerable defence. Laporte will be missed no doubt about that but it will not be an excuse used by City. Stones is also a doubt if he can string along more than 2/3 games but I am sure pep will come up with something. People forget that Kompany missed a lot of games but came back just in time when we needed him, now, Father Time has caught up like it will with any player. Silva is going but we have a replacement I think Sergio may go as well depends on how the season goes for him but is now of an age where he will look for a last Hoorah with a previos club…I will miss him if he does, playing better than ever at the moment Fernandinho..yes but again replacement ready Defensively, we need a couple ready to replace Walker and Otemendi as well
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Brian, even Jose himself has said that city are fantastic defensively, it is obvious to all. I think pep didnt have the players to defend the way he wanted in first season and the pundits jumped on the chance to brand him defensively naive and to sound a bit smart. But since he has been able to rebuild the defence with players to his liking, along with the magnificence of fernandinho, city have become very very good defensively, one of the best defences in prem league history, and imo they are the greatest offensively, its a hell of a combination.
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Hightown, just looked it up. Teams on equal points were separated by goal average rather than goal difference up until 1976. Goal average is exactly what I was talking about, goals scored divided by goals conceded. The more goals a team scores for every one it concedes, the better the team is in general at outscoring opposition. Outscoring the opposition is the aim and so the ranking by points achieved is very closely correlated to ranking by goal average. Obviously I think teams should be judged first and foremost by points achieved, but find goal average a more informative and intuitive way to analyse the differences between teams and get a sense of how much better one team is relative to another, over a course of a full season.
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Was also just reading that the reason it was switched from goal average to goal difference was to encourage teams to be more offensive and not worry too much about not conceding. Doesnt seem much of an incentive to me since it only comes in to play in the rare circumstance in which two teams are level on points (and goal average and goal difference will be closely correlated any way). Changing 2 points per win to 3 points really makes sense to that end, but I dont really see how much difference goal difference vs goal average makes to it.
Also I do think that defence is important and good defence should be credited, I think I prefer goal average to goal difference as a tie breaker, if head to head record is tied also.
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