The Legacy of Pochettino – Whats The Big Deal?

[Luckydestiny]

Come on big boy 🙂

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Here’s an idea, instead of comparing Kloop’s and Poncho’s records by using data involving what Harry Redknapp did in the 2008 season, why don’t we compare data that’s a little bit more pertinent? I know, how about we compare the three complete seasons when both managers were managing against exactly the same opposition teams? Perhaps the 2016/17, 2017/18 & perhaps the 2018/19 seasons? One would think nobody could disagree with those stats as we have exactly the same data for both managers against exactly the same opposition.

Oh, by the way, out of those 3 complete seasons, against exactly the same oppositions in exactly the same League, Poncho only managed to finish above Kloop twice… but don’t worry, we’ve always got Harry Redknapp to prove Kloop is the better manager…. 🙂

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[Chucky McChuckface]

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Over to you, large fella!! 🙂 🙂

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[Shiney]

Those who support City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United, the banker teams who normally clean up all the titles and cups year in year out, say he won nothing and I can’t be bothered to argue with that as it’s true.
What I can be bothered to say is…….. he gave my club, that little North London club who never win anything, who always bottle it, who only finished in the top 4 as the usual suspects suddenly were all shit at the same time,the best fucking ride I’ve had, and I’m so very glad you don’t get that.

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[Luckydestiny]

Chucky, let me put this to bed regards the Klopp v Poch stats

The first stats I looked at were Pochs 202 games compared to the prev 202 games, just to see how much spurs improved.

Then Mak said that comparison is meaningless as if you did the same with Klopp and compared the games under him to the same period before, the stats would also be unimpressive. So I then did it for Klopp and low and behold there was a real noticeable uplift.

The point of these wasnt to compare them at all, it was looking for signs of impact, I only included them in this Ppost as an introduction in to the table I did on the top 4 battle over the last 10 years, that is what I am presenting as the real evidence here, the poch and Klopp stuff was the starting point that motivated me to look at the complete picture over the last 10 years to get a better perspective.

With regards the example you just posted, I dont need to explain to you why comparing Poch’s achievements with a ready made squad to klopps with a team in building os stupid mate, you know that. It is fairer to compare each’s FULL tenure to what their clubs were doing before.

But like I was saying, that difference only motivated me to look deeper, and it is the information in the below table that is the base of my argument here.

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[Luckydestiny]

Back to you, Nancy boy!

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[Chucky McChuckface]

So points gained during team building periods don’t count in my argument, (do note my argument did not include Kloops first “team building year” by the way!), but points gained in Harry Redknapp’s teaming building period in 2008 do????

You win… I’m obviously missing your point completely… 🙂

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[Luckydestiny]

Thats fair enough Parklane, I can totally understand that from a spurs fan, but please dont get me wrong here. I am not arguing that he is a bad manager or did a bad job, I am arguing that in no way, shape or form has he proven himself to be amongst the best managers in the world during his spell at spurs.

He is worthy of every bit of love he has from spurs fans all over the world and I wont begrudge him that. If he goes on to prove he is great I will be the first to write a big post celebrating him, believe me mate.

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[Luckydestiny]

You are indeed Banjo… read my last post to you again, and if you still dont get it, I will see you in the morning 🙂

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[Luckydestiny]

Hopefully we can actually read this table 🙂

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[Luckydestiny]

I couldnt resist Banjo;

Here’s an idea, instead of comparing Kloop’s and Poncho’s records by using data involving what Harry Redknapp did in the 2008 season, why don’t we compare data that’s a little bit more pertinent? I know, how about we compare the three complete seasons when both managers were managing against exactly the same opposition teams? Perhaps the 2016/17, 2017/18 & perhaps the 2018/19 seasons? One would think nobody could disagree with those stats as we have exactly the same data for both managers against exactly the same opposition.

Well, here it is…

Points totals for spurs and pool under Poch and Klopp for seasons 16/17, 17/18 and 18/19;

SPURS 86,77,71, -TOTAL-234
POOL 76,75,97 -TOTAL-248

Remember this was spurs at their peak under Poch versus a developing Pool under Klopp, and you have to accept it this time as like you said “One would think nobody could disagree with those stats as we have exactly the same data for both managers against exactly the same opposition” ?
If only you actually paid the slightest bit of attention to the table I compiled and posted for your convenience, eh? ?

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[Chucky McChuckface]

And you’ve just proved my point about arguing with statistics! Thanks!! 🙂

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[sean the sailor]

I agree with lucky and agree with some others. Both valid points for each side of the argument

I never understood why Poch was linked with big jobs but he did a brilliant job and spurs and over achieved a bit

Really interesting to see what job he gets next. Munich would be absolutely huge for him

I like Poch. Seems a very humble man and just an all round decent soul

The pl will miss him

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[nine nine nine]

I think Sean has summed it up perfectly but it’s pretty hard to define exactly what legacy Poch has actually left behind at Spurs.

Munich would be a massive challenge for him especially as he doesn’t speak German.

If he doesn’t stay in the PL I think he’s more likely to pop up in Spain or Italy be very interesting to see what his next move is and if he can win trophies at his next Club, 5 years at a top Club without winning a trophy is a long time it wouldn’t happen at most top Clubs.

I like the guy and his team played some lovely football at times.

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[steveosnakeeye]

lucky im not pulling your thesis apart im just disagreeing with you …at my own cost i might add given that i have to by default agree with nancy!

as the spuds fans themselves have stated they are a small team not expected to win anything or be in the top 4, they spent less money (£110m net in his entire tenure as boss)….so based on what was there, what was spent, then i think they both did decent, Klopp failed for 2 years and all were wondering why he wouldnt sort the defence, then he got his man and the rest is history…

i cant help but wonder where spurs would be now and if poch would still be there if he had the same expenditure as klopp or arsenal etc….
Poch is a top man and decent manager that got more out of a bunch of players than many could…thats quality, look at the 5-6 managers now that cant get a tenth of the squads they have like our own Basily Faulty waiter!

still dont want him at ours tho…not good enough! 😉

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[nine nine nine]

The lack of support for Poch from Levy over most of his tenure certainly limited Poch’s potential Stevo imo. And it will do the same to Mourinho too if it carries on.

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[steveosnakeeye]

CL finalists and regualr top 4 finshers on that budget isnt too shabby, many have done much worse with much less

the biggest ones that should answer this question is not stats or a comparison to Klopp…it should be the spuds fans as we have heard on here, if THEY FEEL that there club is further along than they were before Poch and enjoyed the journey to boot then that should be the definitive argument for me

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[Blaze]

I keep hearing that Potchetino was not supported financially by Levy so it will interesting to see if Mourinho is as that’s the only way he knows how to operate.

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[steveosnakeeye]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/why-jose-mourinho-for-mauricio-pochettino-is-as-always-with-daniel-levy-at-spurs-an-economic-decision/ar-BBXkUu4?ocid=spartanntp

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