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going back to the original post, I don’t think you can say Ronaldo conquered Italy. yes, his goalscoring record was of the normal high standard we’ve come to expect but he didn’t improve Juventus in any way.
my take on the two of them is something that has been mentioned already. Messi can do things no other player can do. not since Maradona have we seen anything close to Messi. Ronaldo doesn’t do anything that many others can’t do, he just does it regularly.
with regards to international success, as banjo said Ronaldo went off injured in the final and was awful before he went off. I was lucky enough to go to that game but sadly the whole thing was awful. However, Portugal definitely looked better once Ronaldo went off. I believe he had a below-average tournament as well. so despite winning it and having that on his CV he didn’t actually play a meaningful role in it.
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Ed, you keep talking about the CL being a blight on Ronaldo Nazario’s record but I’m pretty sure any player will take a world cup win over a CL win!
Like Chucky said, taking trophies into account is misleading.
If you really want to use that as a measure, then there is no greater case than Maradona, who took a nothing team to win Serie A._____________________________
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Since 2003, La Liga have won 8 Champions Leagues and 11 Europa Cups, vs the Prems 5 Champions Leagues and 3 Europa Cups… or 19 European titles vs 8…
Cut it anyway you want, cyber chum, but that would suggest La Liga shouldn’t really be counted as “inferior”…
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Foxy, to clarify, I think the CL is a massive blight on R9’s career simply because he played in one of the best club sides in history. Figo, Zidane, Raul, Carlos, Hierro, Casillas, Morientes, Makelele, Beckham etc. He hardly played in the 94 World Cup so we can’t really count that one. The 2002 World Cup win was obviously massive but you can’t compare that Brazil side to Messi’s Argentina or CR7’s Portugal. Rivaldo, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Carlos, Cafu! Chuffing Nani was probably the best player after Ronaldo in that Portugal side. That says it all.
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If you really want to use that as a measure, then there is no greater case than Maradona, who took a nothing team to win Serie A.
A Napoli team who were humbled in Europe. Maradona scored 8 goals in his first season in Napoli. Good, yes. Great? Hmmm not for me.
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And, finally, Goldenballs gets a mention… gives me an idea!!
Who’s the most “overated” player of the last 15 years? 🙂 🙂
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Who’s the most “overated” player of the last 15 years?
Easy, Bale
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Very fast and powerful but massively declined once his explosiveness went.
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And there was me thinking you was going to suggest Gerrard… or Scholes… or Lampard!! 🙂
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Just going to stick this up here… no reason… 🙂 🙂 🙂
And this was in the bestest, toughest, most kick-ass league in the world!!
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Yet he was crap when he came back to Spurs at the age of 31. 31! He should be in his prime at that age. No, easily Bale for me. Good while he had his pace and power. Average since.
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Did you even read the article?? LOL!!!
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Yes, did you follow the link to the actual table? He’s not even at the top and played a fraction of the games the others in the table have. I guess Elanga had a great season that season too, just behind Bale (sorted by goals per match) 😂 Even Lingard gets above him!
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Who’s Elanga??
Okay, a goal every 83 minutes is rubbish compared to everybody else… he was only 38 minutes per goal quicker than second place!!
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Ah you were going by minutes per goal rather than goals per match. Yeah, congrats Bale on winning that one. Little bit unfair considering he played much less minutes than the majority of that list and came off the bench a lot against tired defences.
Still massively overrated for me. Clubs weren’t exactly queuing up for him despite him winning the goals per minute trophy were they?
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I see your point, but can we take off all the “injury time goals against tired defenses” for everybody then? How about all the penos (never thought they should count, anwyay!).
At the end of the day, he bagged one every 83 minutes (no penos!), your Elanga lad managed one goal (all season!) at 155 minutes, and Lingard was even worse at 158 per goal… 🙂
Personally, I thought he was criminally underused by Maureen, and I’d have him back in a heartbeat. I love Lucas, but Bale (even now!) is twice the player and if (and it’s a big if, admittedly!) you can get 30 games out of him, he’ll still bang in 20 plus a season in the Prem (probably 30 if you give him all the penos too!)
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I sorted on goals per match rather than minutes per goal. Hence the mentioning of Lingard, who was above Bale in that one and Elanga, who was just behind (obviously playing next to no matches).
He did get one every 83 minutes. Despite that, nobody tried signing him. Doesn’t that tell you something? I don’t think he’d get anywhere near to 20 goals. I thought he looked way off it whenever I saw him for Spurs in that last season. For me, he’s a bit like Owen. Great while ever his pace is still there. Very limited otherwise.
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Always far too focused on other things like Golf. Had no interest in actually moving to play football and was happy to sit on the bench for Zidane. Zero respect for his work ethic and attitude to the game. I’d guess that’s why he didn’t get more minutes from Morurinho either. He wouldn’t put up with a lack of effort from anyone.
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I’m sure the 650k a week thing might have had something to do with the “lack of interest” from other parties, cyber chum!
And I will also add he never really got a run of games to really get going… combined with Maureens ultra boring defensive play… even I know giving a player like Bale “defensive duties” is a bit like a pair of clean pants to Buffy, a complete waste of time.
Really would love to see him in this Antonio team…
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Jota has almost the same goals per minute as Salah does this season. Would you say he’s as good? Substitute appearances or just lower minutes alone can throw it off.
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