The Euros 2020/2021

[Nike19]

Best Cont3st of the tournament by afar. Really feel for Shevchenko. Ukraine tonight really gave their all but just come up short.

There is a massive positive to generate and scope still to qualify to the next phase.👍🏻⚽️⚽️⚽️

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[FoxyFoxes]

Obviously delighted with the win, but certainly not getting carried away based on that performance against a Croatia who, sure aren’t mugs but really aren’t that great either. Our attack looked disjointed.
Mings was excellent, Phillips even better. Walker was terrible!

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[Editor]

Fair play to Sterling. I thought he was fortunate to start after an indifferent season but he took his goal well and made some good runs. As much as Grealish was probably more deserving of a start, Sterling’s pace gave us a different option.

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[steveosnakeeye]

Is Kane a problem for England? 3rd major tournament and one goal from open play
As for experience in tournaments, biggest load of tosh … these players play for big clubs in the pl and European competition and they can’t cope with a national tournament?
Playing old names not people on form and being to conservative it’s so frustrating
England team is handicapped before they kick a ball with poor player selection and not being brave enough
We will do okay (nothing special) but first top team we play will beat us with ease

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[nine nine nine]

Fortunately we won Stevo otherwise Southgate would have been under the cosh for some of his selections. I didn’t think Trippier on the left worked and I hope we play a recognised left back v Scotland who can get forward, Kane was way off but I’m sure he’ll come good. Sterling was probably fortunate to start and as well as his goal he did ok.

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[FoxyFoxes]

I seem to recall looking at Kane’s record of goals he has scored for England and off memory they are mostly against lesser oppositions.

Ok, just went and checked, here are the oppositions:

Lithuania
San Marino
Switzerland
Germany
Turkey
Scotland
France
Malta
Slovenia
Nigeria
Tunisia
Panama
Columbia
Croatia
Czech Rep
Montenegro
Bulgaria
Kosovo
Albania
Poland

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[steveosnakeeye]

How many of those were penalties foxy ?
I’m not knocking him as a striker but doesn’t do it for England so can only be down to how he and the team are set up and play

Trippier, Sterling and rashford shouldn’t have played based on form and who could have played

Same old story they just pick the names

It’s great to play someone like Philips but undo it with others

There is no basis for this play the best team on form no matter the age or “name” it’s called competition and maybe a few of the others will step up

We beat ourselves every time

A win is a win but it only shows how far we have to go, we have the potential if we stop hamstringing ourselves

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[steveosnakeeye]

Nancy how you getting on with the reading list … ?

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[Editor]

I agree Steve that Sterling probably shouldn’t have played but the side has to have balance. You can’t just automatically play the 11 most on form players all the time. Take yesterday for example. Grealish probably should have played over Sterling purely on form but where would the pace be in the team then? If Southgate wants to play a certain way and needs certain attributes to do that, then he has to be able to pick the players that fit his plan, not just the 11 most on form players. I think we’ve picked on name in the past but I don’t think that’s the reason the likes of Sterling were picked if I’m honest.

Same goes for Rashford. There’s an argument that someone like Bamford is more deserving based on form but does Bamford offer anything Kane or Calvert-Lewin don’t? Not for me. Sterling and Rashford’s pace allow us to switch things up.

There has to be a balance. You can’t purely pick on name and reputation but nor can you purely pick on form.

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[Editor]

People make out England are the only side who play players on reputation too. Look at France. They play Pogba who has had a very up and down season for Utd because they trust him and he fits their style of play. Germany play Werner who has been pretty poor at times this season. The Netherlands play Van De Beek who can’t get a game for Utd. I’m sure there are more on form players in each of those teams but experience and tactically being a good fit is every bit as important as form. Also managers and players build mutual trust. That counts for a lot, too.

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[FoxyFoxes]

10 of his 34 goals are from pens

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[Editor]

Who would we play if not Kane though? He’s both the form (most goals and assists in the league, team of the year) and the reputation (World Cup golden boot, on track to be record goalscorer) choice. If not Kane, then we’re not going by either form or name/experience.

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[sean the sailor]

I’m no fan of southgate lads but he made some big decisions yday and they worked. He wanted to keep it tight, get a clean sheet and win the game.

As nine says though, time to revert to a proper left Back on Friday

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Buffy, most of them have shown up, and they’re in the stack, on summer hols now so I’ll get cracking, I’ll let you know when I know, you know? (Working on some N. K. Jemisin books right now, as I’ve just finished her “Masterclass” videos).

Anyway, that Kane fella is a bit overrated, even more so in an Engerland shirt, I only hope we sell him before everybody else realizes this. 150 mill (which is no problem for any state-sponsored club, look at all the excellent PR they’ll buy when they get Engerland’s Captain, we might even forget their “issues” back home that they’re trying to whitewash over!!) and I’ll drive him their myself. Or maybe a far as Watford… 🙂

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[Mikus LFC]

Is Southgate as bold a coach as some make him out to be or is there a strong philosophy/identity there? Or is there just the fashionable ‘press’ there that every team now tends to do in a game? Beyond the press, it’s as though the players up top are told to just go and express themselves and hope things happen. I also fear we’re now putting huge hype/pressure on to Foden like we did with ‘golden boy’ Rooney. I have no problem with Foden being in the team & I recognise his talent, but we really need a philosophy up there or else, like England teams of old, it will just get very frustrating very quickly and we remember Rooney’s “nice to have your own fans booing you” comment after coming off the pitch some years ago.

I really don’t want to be over negative after winning yesterday, and I know the conditions were difficult and it was the first game. I’m just not convinced the same sorts of problems that have dogged us for so long have been addressed yet at the root. And when I see the pundits almost waxing lyrical again after the game, I just think here we go again.

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[steveosnakeeye]

Nicely put mikus very much my feelings
I’d love to be proved wrong I just don’t see it

Let’s be honest would anyone on here actually want Southgate for their teams manager having seen something to warrant it? I bet none would

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[Editor]

We’ve had one game guys and we’ve won it. Let’s wait and see what we do before judging him eh? I’m not convinced he’s the right guy but he took us to the Semis in the World Cup for only the third time ever and has only managed 1 game so far this tournament. Give the guy a chance. I wouldn’t want Southgate at my club but I wouldn’t want Joachim Low or Roberto Martinez either yet one won the World Cup and the other is favourite to win this Euros so I’m not sure that’s relevant.

Steve, who would your XI be, seeing as you are only wanting on-form players in the team?

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[Editor]

For the record, I wouldn’t want current World Cup winning manager Deschamps at my club either.

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[Nike19]

There’s lots of games to get through. I’m confident enough to believe we’ll get through to the Semis.

Just need to think about the flexibility we have in our attacking line up and be able to utilize that effectively than to just think about feeding Kane.

Sterling and Grealish are players that will force the issue and have to really. Awful heat yesterday. Being passive and static can be dangerous if you’re not in a comfortable lead. We don’t want to drop points unnecessarily and don’t want to give the impression to the opposition that they can muscle their way in and catch us out.

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[steveosnakeeye]

It wouldn’t be vastly different Ed
A real left back either chilwell or the seemingly much better shaw would do 😉

Harry is there on merit but either play to his strengths or change

Grealish for Sterling

Others on the bench

After that you could argue here and there but it’s more down to who like who more

Then it’s tactics or philosophy to actually attack with purpose

All the top top attacking talent we have and they do it week in week out at top clubs can’t do it for England which for me means they are not being asked to

We will never be a top team without a top team mentality

Teams should be genuinely scared to face us and I mean all teams like most are with Germany France Spain

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