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Ings isn’t fit because he hasn’t played for an extended time in 2 years, give or take. We have no idea if he is now to be injury free but if he can manage to get fit, I think he has a chance of a career here yet. I actually wouldn’t buy an attacker, unless they were a prospect. There is no place for anyone in our first team.
Klopp doesn’t rate Migs, well then Klopp needs to buy someone he does rate. This isn’t anything new, so why can’t we make something happen?
The delay of the arrival of Keita is a killer for me. I don’t see him as a replacement for Coutinho but instead for Can/Henderson.
if you look at our midfield options, they aren’t terrible but over the last season we’ve sold Joe Allen, then Lucas and now Coutinho. Can has one leg out the door and we’ve just sent Grujic out on loan. Are we sure that we don’t have someone coming in this window, because we’re really lightening our options here. As for the money, I don’t think it is all spent. VVD is being paid for over the next 4-5 seasons or something like that. That means it comes out of those seasons FFP periods. AFAIK we’re getting £102m of the Coutinho money immediately.
If this is the case then it gives us a really good advantage going forward because by leveraging our money, we’re essentially gaining interest on our current cash, because of the massive inflation in the footballing world. £100m this season is maybe equivalent to £75m (or maybe even less) in the footballing world in 2, 3 or 4 years time.
anyway, this isn’t football manager. We do have the bones of a fantastic side. Klopp has undoubtedly improved us in a number of ways. We have either in the past been 1 man teams, or had the tea-lady on the bench. we’re far from perfect but we’re on the right track. I just wish this train would speed up already 😛
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Thanks Jim, I guess Liverpool now know what we see most weeks. Nothing is certain in football.
I know the media had the demise of City after the Liverpool game and they would be the team to beat from this point but they have to adjust there headlines again. To night they will have there pencils sharp waiting for a slip again….maybe they do not use pencils anymore_____________________________
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My thoughts from yesterday was just pre-empting the usual cliché`s our detractors would come out. Always better to suck it up and don’t let them grind you down too much.
I thought it was a big kick in the nuts from a point of view to take us to another level to close in on Chelsea and United. Plenty of games to go and apart from probably 3/4 teams away from home, I’m optimistic going forward but collectively, all the players need to step it up.
Of course it always hurts when a player of Coutinho’s calibre and excellence leaves, and we have done good to pull in an extra new face – maybe a new Striker altogether. We can’t just go out and magically just buy somebody like a Supermarket transaction.
Always worth putting into perspective that we are currently placed on the right side of 4th and not being pegged back to let’s say 7 or 8th with a continuous pattern of indifferent results – lost our shooting boots last night.
It’ll come good
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The City thing is for 2 reasons from my POV:
1) I don’t want them walking away with it with a big chunk of points half-way into March
2) The excess hype on Pep Guardiola.
Other than that, like them, their style of football, a lot of their players and their supporters who are actually brilliant.
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Liverpool beat the Champions designate one week and the next week they lose to a team who are favourites for relegation that’s football for you.
What last night did demonstrate though is that Van Dijk won’t solve all of Liverpool’s defensive problems and Coutinho will be missed especially in games like last nights.
It’s not all doom and gloom for Liverpool though they have been on a great run are a point better off than this time last season and still have a very good chance of securing a top 4 place.
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Nice shout Nine, and agree with all of that.
Truth is the true re Couts, but we always had to face the eventuality of him leaving us once the floodgates had opened re Barca.
I was pleased on the whole re Van Dijk and he played with a smile on his face, but you’re right, he’s not essentially there with the assurance that our ‘leak’ is sealed. I feel a lot of that has something to do with Karius and a more agile and vigilante of and a more vigilante of a keeper might have saved that.
If we get through our next half-dozen matches without defeat from all comps, I’d be happy with that.
Cheers
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I think Klopp has lost the plot from the first minute. he knew Swansea will sit back and soak up pressure. but he choose to start the game with Georginio Wijnaldum and Emre Can instead of Lallana Ox and Can. the little comeo that Lallana played Liverpool have created some impressive chances. Salah and Mane has missed half chances. Klopp needs to redefine his system when its not working well. there is no cause for panic. Liverpool in on course to finish in top 4. and results like this isn’t entirely out of equation. take nothing away from Klopp and Liverpool. they are doing fantastic and is exciting to watch. like wise ManCity is also exciting.
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nil – are you, a liverpool fan, moaning about the excess hype surrounding a manager?
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Joking aside mate, if you’re gonna point a finger at the Pool defense for the Swansea goal you should be pointing at that bloke with the smile on his face… it was his piss-poor header that set up the chance. For once your goalie did nowt wrong there.
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Pax you’ve honestly have lost me?
I’m backing Jurgen Klopp as much as I can – his position is not under threat.
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See what you mean, Pax – read your question wrongly. We’ll I can see any hype on Klopp, can you?!
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Chucky, he stretched, but I think he should have been more alert for that sort of thing to happen and consider his positioning in the first place.
In all fairness, that fell on the sixpence and it was luck.
We should be flattered teams go out of their way to set themselves up the way they do to thwart us. All in all though, I doubt it’s a jot of a reflection on us, but an aspiration for them to try and climb out of the bottom 3.
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He should have been alert for your 75million pound savior to head it straight to a Swansea player? Mate, blaming your goalie for any part of that goal is a bit like blaming Klopp for the weather.
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I am no fan of Karius’ but there is no blame on him for that goal. As for referring to him by his price-tag, he’s only human and is also a brand new signing. That was his PL debut. I guess it’s up to anyone if they want to write off a player on their debut but I certainly won’t be doing that.
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Alright so some are saying I’m wrong & we’ve struggled v these type of teams before. Yes we have struggled so no change there. However we have been unbeaten in 18 games or whatever it was & during those games we created top chances throughout, drawing some games due to our lack of finishing. That last game we created a few chances but nowhere near what we have been & certainly not as gilt edged chances as what we have been. That to me is because Couts was the player that unlocked these defenses with his superior vision & ability. We had 8 days between games so we weren’t tired. We were nowhere near as good as we have been.
Keep telling yourselves we will be fine without him all you like but his leaving has left a hole that big in our attack we will be committing football suicide if we don’t replace him this window._____________________________
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Makaveli mate I’m not writing Karius off after that 1 game, I’m writing him off after the numerous games he’s played where he’s looked like a deer in the headlights & his lack of domination in the box. IMO he is a terrible keeper, worse than Migs.
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In games like yesterday, we couldn’t get the end product from our players and find the back of the net. Albeit their goal, they have one tamed effort to add to that from Ayew.
I think we ourselves had 4 on target which is obviously unusual and that’s because Swansea parked the bus (they are well within their rights to).
We have had lots of games like this in recent times, so this is not something that hasn’t in regular been accustomed to us. Think to 08/09 when we had 3 draws at Home. We had only registered 2 defeats all season, yet we fell short in spite of having Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard in truly great form.
Coutinho is a big loss to us and I think the Ox can step it up, though not really one of his most effective of games yesterday. Solanke has gone quiet and off the radar. Ings is just in no man’s land for us purely because of his lengthy spell out – not his fault though.
Just needed somebody really insistent, flamboyant, clever, and aggressive. It’s easy to say that though in hindsight. There’s no science to suggest that game would have been won on the pitch had Coutinho played.
I remember us beating Norwich at Carrow Road with that Lallana last minute over-head kick and we win I think something like 5-4. The same Lallana misses not even from a yard, so this is football and even though it’s a big kick in the teeth, there’s no point really in beating ourselves up.
Transfers and recruit are challenging for us. We need to think outside the box a bit and put ourselves out to bring in a quality fresh face just to freshen up the squad and I feel this is where we’re short and not really overall, as million miles behind.
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Oz Yob, Ha I wasn’t talking about Karius, I don’t rate him at all either and think Mignolet is 10 times the keeper he is. I was talking about people writing off Van Dijk. Also, I agree with you regards Coutinho, mostly anyway. My problem with getting a replacement is , what will the midfield look like next season. We have to be careful about how far forward we are planning because looking towards next season (as the club are doing), we might not even be in the CL. .
But we’re talking about spending big and any massive signing won’t want to sit on the bench half the time. We have 3 places in midfield that has to come from Wijnaldum, Lallana, Henderson, Oxlade and Keita. Can might still be in there but I see Keita as a replacement for him. I also see Hendersons place at risk with his arrival also, giving us a midfield of :
Wijnaldum – Keita – Lallana
Oxlade could compete/cover for 2 of those positions and maybe push Lallana out but after this, we are too light. If we need an injection of creativity in there, we no longer have the option and the club are happy to go the remainder of the season without this option.
Lemar was available this window and I doubt it would have cost us £90m as they were essentially saying he’s for sale in the media, meaning they were much more open to the idea, given how he’s not exactly having a stellar season for them now. Who says we couldn’t get Lemar for £60m or so? It was only Arsenals silly bidding the last window that brought his price up in the first place and they seems to have lost interest entirely.
We were willing to pay £75m for him before but aren’t now. What’s changed? The only thing I can think of is that we’ve since signed Oxlade. . . but the club were very vocal in saying that the deals were independent. SO WHY ARE WE NO LONGER INTERESTED.
It worries me to know that we are happy to sell Coutinho and think we don’t need to replace him at all. Yes, teams can survive losing one of their best players but they usually try and replace what they gave to the team.
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Mak, I think there’s every chance Liverpool will look replace Coutinho but the January window is not a good window to try and do business in.
I suspect at the end of the season Klopp will deem both Karius and Mignolet not good enough and he will buy a new Keeper, a replacement for Coutinho, plus Keita this Summer.
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You’re right, the January window is not a good one to do business in. . but we sold him in this window.
If you let a player go, you replace him immediately, or beforehand if you get the chance. You don’t sit on your hands and wait. It is more of how I warned that the club were almost sacrificing this season. We messed up the Van Dijk transfer in the summer, we sign Keita for a season later. Klopp doesn’t rate Migs and Karius is awful but we’re continuing on with them.
You can’t postpone this kind of thing without risking a loss of momentum. By the time we get Keita and a replacement for Coutinho’s creativity in, maybe Salah will want to go to Real. This is how things go.
It’s one thing to wait until you get the right player/deal but looking at Lemar as an example. . what is the problem with making a bid now? Nine, can you come up with a reason other than FFP? I don’t think it’s a legitimate argument given that we made a bid of £75m or so for Lemar in the summer. . and we’ve since sold Coutinho, so we can afford him. Especially when you look at how our recent business is structured. We absolutely have the money and we absolutely had the desire to sign him 6 months ago but even though his availability is actually better now than then, we’re no longer interest. . . Even though we are now in more need of signing him!
We must be playing a great game here with a last day bid to land because it just does not make any sense to me at all. I say all of this on the back of a seemingly contradictory opinion that we can do much better without Coutinho than many would expect. . . but we do need that creativity for the stubborn sides.
Last season was a great opportunity to step forward and in the end we JUST got there. not signing Salah (in the previous January window nearly cost us everything in terms of our momentum as a club and I feel that we’re looking at a comparable scenario here with CM, although not as big of a problem as the previous one.
meh
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