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The demise of test cricket is a sad lament of our times and also a sad reflection of people who have changed the game in the last 40 yrs or so. An American once asked me about cricket and why it took 5 days, I told them it was a physical game of chess that could, be expained better by good commentary. Now we have bish bash cricket for TV and this is where the interest comes from. We will finish up with indoor cricket 7 a side games, a Premier league, World Series etc etc. I am thankful to have been brought up on thermal game
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Mav, I actually don’t have a problem with this. I am not in favour of a league that doesn’t have relegation but this is the powerful clubs saying “right, you want it all your way? well we can leave you to rot” and TBH, why shouldn’t they exercise their power? The PL exercised theirs by voting down their proposal, this is only a response to that and the group will come together and compromise.
The fact is that it’s Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Spurs who are responsible for the PL being the biggest league in the world. It’s these clubs who have pulled theirs and the PL’s weight into HUGE TV deals. Of course the fair sharing of this money has kept the PL competitive and interesting to watch but when you have a situation where Fulham have the same say as Man Utd, you have in my opinion, got a problem.
Democracy is fine in many situations but this isn’t one of them. I don’t expect people here to agree with me and that’s fine, I’m also not saying that the rest of the PL should be utterly powerless, I am however saying that these sides rightly have clout and it’s fair game for them to exercise it from time to time. The recent rejected proposal was largely beneficial for the PL and EFL. It would also have benefited the European playing sides but Fulham, West Ham etc etc will not be playing in Europe and only had eyes on the extra relegation slots. So, their worries about being relegated has dictated the future of the rest of the PL and that’s just not on. Screw them.
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Brian, I have no problem with ODIs and T20 cricket. Not sure where the 100 fits in, though it will be a bit more tactical than T20. Currently the IPA is on, itβs the big money T20 competition, and itβs been a really good watch so far.
The problem with the 5 day game is being able to go and watch it as 3 days of it have to be during the traditional working week, and no matter how you schedule it you canβt guarantee the finish being at the weekend.
I think you have to take the view that ODIs and T20 are the champions league and FA cup and the 5 day game as the league competition. You also have to have the shorter formats for the amateur and junior game….Pagan
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Brian, even though we are on different sides of the fence, I do actually agree with a lot of what you said. I see this situation as more of a threat than them enacting anything, immediately anyway.
I am not in favour of over-Americanizing of the sport, as the soul of it is at risk with every further commercial avenue exploited. I like Hockey but not much else from North America. Commercials every few minutes, ruins the spectacle. No relegation and limiting of competition types is just dull and samey, each season.
The LC has got to go though, for top sides anyway. The FA Cup can’t be scrapped though, it’s not a priority for me but it’s still too good to be pushed aside. Teams must fight for their right to play in the PL, there’s nothing like facing them late on. That doesn’t exist in American sports and they are worse off for it.
This for me is a powerplay and I wouldn’t be happy with the top sides if they didnt come back with something in order to gain some kind of compromise, which will help take the PL forward, yes the Pl… not some break away league.
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Mak, regarding the cups, league cup, make it optional or a reserve cup for clubs in Europe, FA cup, all teams in from the first round proper, spread a bit of wealth and glamour round the lower leagues….Pagan
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I wouldn’t scrap the League Cup but allow the teams competing in Europe to field shadow sides and leave it up to them to decide perhaps even U 23 teams.
At a time when PL Club’s are looking to reduce the number of games it’s highly unlikely they would agree to additional games from Round One of the FA Cup despite the good intentions of doing so.
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9, donβt fall for the βwe play too many gamesβ clap trap, itβs more we donβt want to play games that donβt pay when we could be playing those that do….Pagan
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Either way Pagan PL Clubs won’t agree to play FA Cup games from Round One.
And it’s not on an agenda for discussion certainly in respect of the PL Clubs.
It’s a nice idea in respect of helping the smaller Clubs and whilst you can never say never in Football currently it’s highly unlikely to happen.
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9, and thereβs the problem in a nutshell, the teams have more power than the governing bodies. Deep down the big teams know that they can do what they want because they hold the power, the whole game from kids grass roots upwards is controlled by 4 to 6 clubs who bleed it for all they can but put nothing back in…..Pagan
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“the whole game from kids grass roots upwards is controlled by 4 to 6 clubs who bleed it for all they can but put nothing back inβ¦..”
Not sure about that Pagan I’m pretty close to kids football because of my Grandsons both have enjoyed and continue to enjoy Academy Coaching, both Southampton and West Brom have Regional Academies where we live.
No top 6 Clubs operating Academies here yet though.π
They both play for a very well organised and well funded local Club with great local Coaches that stay with them all the way up to Under 16’s.
In terms of the voting rules re the PL the rule of 14 means that the top 6 can’t can’t rail road through anything the balance of the PL Club’s don’t want as we saw last week with the Big Picture.
But getting back to your post re the FA Cup, PL Clubs playing in the FA Cup from Round One is not even up for discussion and if it was I doubt it would garner the 14 plus votes it would need for it to happen and it wouldn’t just be the big 6 voting against it.
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9, academies arenβt grass roots by definition, if youβre in an academy you canβt play grass roots.
As for the FA Cup, are only the PL in it? put to the vote of all the clubs in it and see what happens.
So Chelsea have spunked Β£200+m during a pandemic, theyβll post a loss over the next couple of seasons and blame it on COVID….Pagan
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Pagan, were we ever in doubt about that tho? I mean the playing too many games was never a full sentence, the rest was always assumed. That is at least my take on it and I am pretty certain I’m right. I also don’t see the problem with that though. I mean, the reason other games are worth more is usually because they are against better opposition and that’s what the best tournaments provide.
Nine, sure allow teams to opt out, or just say that if you qualify for europe, you are taken out of the cup. If we leave it too open I don’t think anything gets resolved, as we’ll just see a mix of youth and first team. I think it’s probably smarter to remove them from the tournament. if they want to actually hand the fixtures tot he reserve team and say that they can use the 1st team after thew quarters then fine. I would try and focus on an actual ruling coming into play though and not just the same as it is now.
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I simply think the super cup would be an extension of the Champions league, just a little more permanent for the big clubs already in it. 30 games a season as mooted, clubs will need two squads.. one or domestic league and one or super cup.. or an added ten players in a squad or that league. The top clubs are already playing up to 65 games a season. Theres a World Cup to come over xmas in Qatar that may or may not have and in the stadium… Everything is bonkers.
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In other sports there are no international breaks, if you lose a player to a national squad so be it…..Pagan
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Pagan, one of my Grandsons was at the West Brom Albion Regional Development Centre which was very well structured with high level Coaching from WBA Coaches and fed into the main WBA Academy my other Grandson attends the County Academy where they are Coached by Coaches from Bristol City Bristol Rovers and Southampton again the Coaching is of a high level and like the WBA centre is focussed on technical development. In both cases you had to go through a 6 week trial and if considered to be up to the level they were looking for be invited to stay on.
Both play in a local League for their local Club side and tbh with you the games aren’t always fair because in the age group teams they play in there is a large slice of boys in each age group who are at Regional Development Centres that feed into a pro Clubs Academies or play for the County Academy both though play every week for their local Club sides of their age group in a local League which is definitely grass roots.
In respect of the FA Cup no matter which way you cut it Pagan currently there is little to no chance of PL Clubs participating in the first round of the FA Cup.
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“if they want to actually hand the fixtures tot he reserve team and say that they can use the 1st team after thew quarters then fine. I would try and focus on an actual ruling coming into play though and not just the same as it is now”
Yeah I agree with that Mak. We have to wait and see how the PL Clubs handle things after the failure of the Big Picture proposal.
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Brian, I still remember Graham Gooch’s famous 333 back in 1990 against India. 30 years ago. Botham in the mid to late 80s was my favourite. The BBC had great coverage for 5 days and there were certain features and parts of the experience of a 5 day test match that the one day format and style simply just bring out in my view those pleasures.
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It makes me realize the point of Salford City; The Glazers. Haven’t they been around now for something like 20 years?
If they installed a ‘Liverpool B’ in our existing league, that would be grand for me.
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Infantino has confirmed he and FIFA has no interest in a European Super League and is instead fully focussed on developing the Club World Cup and Ceferin and UEFA are focussed on further developing the Champions League which suggests a European Super League is some way off yet.
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Mak, it has been a good subject to discuss and I am interested in all the views on this. I do have this empty feeling that in the long run, money will play a big part whoever and whichever way it goes. The fans will be last to know anyway. I hope, insome way, our structure is kept in place but managed better. The FA and EPL have a cart load of money that can help clubs in need/
I would be against any two tier system that effectively protects 6 teams at the expense of others. If it is a league then it has to be competitive one for all or I do not see the point in kicking off from game one
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