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“But Mak, if Utd were to quote 10 billion and people deem that unrealistic, whose problem is that? It’s not Utd’s.”
It is if they want to find a buyer but otherwise it doesn’t matter a damn.
“Remember, Utd don’t want to sell him”
I’ve not really kept up on this if I’m honest but I assumed that they kinda did want to sell him. If that isn’t the case then ya, they don’t need to be realistic at all. In fact, when you don’t want to sell a player, jack the price way up to tell people to get silly or go away.
As for your example of Salah, he’s way more important to Liverpool than Lukaku is to Utd (or am I just way off here?). I mean, I don’t really watch Utd but I don’t remember hearing Utd fans raving about him, ever. If I’ve misjudged his value to you lads on the pitch, maybe you can see why.
But to answer your question, no I wouldn’t be happy to see us be anywhere “fair” with the price for one of our biggest stars. I’d want the club to tell Juve that it’s going to be 250m or not to bother.
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All in all,a fecking madness!
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My point is this, when Klopp came into Liverpool, we were arguably desperate in certain areas. And many Liverpool fans grew increasingly disgruntled when we weren’t signing anyone over the years. But when we did spend significantly, we spent it on top, top quality. Now I concede Man Utd have bigger pockets than Liverpool did at the time, and I’m not saying Maguire is a huge mistake and there’s no logic to it. But the fact remains Man Utd are still spending huge amounts on players who are not top, top quality. Maguire may well steady the ship at the back and improve things. But should Man Utd not be aiming for higher than that?
Put another way, I’m not saying Maguire is a poor signing for where Man Utd are at. He isn’t. But my point would be when you spend big in a crucial area of the pitch – it’s not just for the now, it’s for the future. So any signing made now has to *also* be for the level you are aiming for, ie top, top level.
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Just to add, although Man Utd have got deep pockets, as Nine has alluded to they didn’t always back the manager when certain targets were requested. Who’s to say the owners in years to come will argue that enough money has been spent in area x, so we’re not spending money there??
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Am I the only one who’s thinking it’s a grand idea UnYooUtd in 6th place buy all the bestest players from the team most likely to finish 7th?? Keep that EL spot safe and all that…
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Lol, don’t tease 😛
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Fair points Mak!
Mikus, I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison. Whilst VVD is clearly one of the best CBs in world football, I’m not sure I agree that he was considered as such when you bought him. I mean he was considered a good player at Southampton but people laughed at Liverpool at the time for buying him for that much. I can’t be bothered going back and looking but did he ever make team of the season for Southampton? If he, unlike Maguire, was at this top, top level, why weren’t Real and Barca in for him? Juventus even?
Chucky, no idea what you’re going on about! ?. Do you mean we’re buying Leicester’s players so we shouldn’t be considered a threat? I’m pretty sure we’re not considered a threat whatever we do in this market. Hell of a rebuilding job to do at Old Trafford and I’m already convinced Ole won’t be the one to bring back successful times at Utd so I think you’re all very safe at the moment. But, still don’t get your point. If this is true, he’ll be 1 Leicester player. Hardly a Southampton-Liverpool job!
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You know exactly what I’m saying Swed-Ed… 🙂
Reckon you’ll be sniffing around some Toofee’s and Wolf’s next…keep that Status Quo and all that!
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I’m not sure who Maguire plays for has got anything to do with it. United needed a quality Centre Back and it wouldn’t matter whether Maguire played for Leicester or Leeds. He was the stand out player to fill that role.
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Mikus, I kinda agree with you there. I say kinda because I think the problem with Utd is a little more nuanced than looking at the level of player they are buying. I think you’re half way there but the underlying issue is that they are buying players, instead of building a cohesive team.
The person in charge of signings at Utd has been doing a poor job. They bought Pogba and played him in a midfield setup that he wasn’t able to really fit into. I would also look at Lukaku and say why on earth did they even do that… and I’m not even gonna talk about the sums because in the end of the day, they don’t matter if the signings are successes… but there’s no plan. Utd could definitely be making better signings, in terms of the actual quality of the players but they need to bring in people that fit in with the clubs ethic/tactics etc etc and this is where they’ve failed the hardest.
I don’t know exactly how Utd are structured but Woodward has to go. Then the head of scouting/technical director must also go. I’m sorry abut Ole also has to go. They need to bring in someone who knows how to coach a team to play an attractive attacking style.
Until this happens, I feel they will just be rolling the dice with these big signings. If they ever do get their ducks in a row though, their financial clout will be very very difficult to combat.
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Just wanna hammer home a point also. I think because Liverpool have been getting stronger on the pitch and as a result, financially, us Liverpool fans can’t get too carried away. This are very very good for us now. We have set the world record for highest TV revenue in a season and that’s all great but we’ve got to be aware of just how much stronger Utd , Real and Barca are in comparison to us. Our advantage is Klopp. He’s seen as a manager who players would all want to play for. His football is great and his team are European Champions (final losing streak gone baby)… but people need to really realise that we’re fighting the uphill battle. We’re not on level terms financially. So, once we start to lose this fight, we’ll be cast away again in terms of player draw power etc.
Our only chance to really catch the biggest clubs is to keep progressing and win more trophies over a period of years and years. TV money is only one aspect. The commercial mega giants have just massive merchandising revenue.
anyway sorry for such a shit post. Im knackered today.
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Ed, according to this report VVD was being chased by us, City, Chelsea and Barcelona in 2017.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/25/man-city-closing-60m-deal-virgil-van-dijk/
As I say, I appreciate you need a CB but for me if you’re spending that kind of money on one, they need to be world class. Chucky may be teasing somewhat above, but he’s used two words in his posts: safe and status quo. Yes, he may be an improvement, but to where exactly? Top 4? A few domestic cup finals? May be. But not to where you should be wanting, imo. Bear in mind that Klopp turned Liverpool (who were arguably in a worse position when he took over than where you guys are now) and won the the CL in just over 3 years.
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Mikus, if United needed to buy a commanding Centre Back this Summer apart from Maguire who else was there available for them to realistically buy? Sometimes transfers just come down to that.
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Ok didn’t know that Mikus. I still don’t think he could have ever been considered the top level CB then as he is now. But, as Nine reiterated above, if not Maguire, who would you have bought in Utd’s position? Whilst I don’t disagree about the fee, I’m scratching my head for a better option who is the right age, would join us, is proven at a decent level etc.
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Van Dijk was at Southampton for what 2/3 seasons and didn’t make the team of the season once I believe. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’ve also just seen he’s only got 28 caps for his country at 28,that’s nothing at all. This at a time when Netherlands have had no great CBs to note and have been pretty poor overall. 21 year old Rashford has 10 more caps for his country at a mere 21 years of age. My point is that, as good as VVD is now, he definitely wasn’t considered the elite CB he is now, back then.
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Nine, if they need an immediate short term CB to help bridge the gap from where they are now to winning titles (i.e. not necessarily world class), then no problem with that (they presumably have a global scout network, so surely they could find various options and they found Vidic some years ago). And had Maguire cost around £35 million, Id agree it’s a very good deal for Man Utd. But up to £80 million tells me Man Utd see him as a player for the long term and lynchpin in their defence for the next 3/4 years. And I’m arguing they should be targeting a higher bar than that.
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Mikus, but who though?
Are United paying over the top for Maguire? Seemingly yes they are.
To have a coherent transfer policy a Club needs consistency at managerial level and the top Clubs operate with a Sporting Director United have had neither and presumably the scouting network haven’t found a better Centre Back option than Maguire otherwise they would be buying them.
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Well, quite so Nine. The structure still seems a long way off yet. And until Utd get that right, the waiting will go on.
Ed, as for Van Dijk’s international career, agree it’s only took off fairly recently. But perhaps he didn’t have the right manager and people around him in his earlier career. Either way, when he came to Liverpool he was already world class, which means he must have been world class for some time before it (you don’t just suddenly become it overnight). And Liverpool clearly saw something there, as did Southampton (who have had an excellent transfer record in recent years).
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Mak-You are spot on,Klop is a genius in signing the right players that fit in a system.He didn’t just say,right I want the most expensive players for every position in the team,he bought the right players and improved them to world class,players like Salah,Mane,Firminho,Robertson,etc.United paid £35m for Shaw,if I’m not mistaken,and he hasn’t improved at all during all these years!
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