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  • #207556
    sean the sailor
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      Lucky mount is a great deal for Chelsea.55m in his last year is a great few.

      As Ed says what is fffp to any club. It’s a shambles and loopholes are used all over the place

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      #207557
      sean the sailor
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        FairPlay to Arsenal fully supporting their manager with 200m

        Klopps hands tied again and we need an outlay of 200m net to compete. We need another two box to box midfielders one of them who can play 6 also and a centre back.

        Any Goldsteins rant about utd yesterday was absolutely embarrassing. Sure glaziers are bad owners but he blames them in everything. Not getting money back from sakes is not the glaziers fault. Letting Pogba go for free, buying him back 86m then letting him go for feck is crazy? How is that the glaziers faukt? Every manager has being fully supported with millions. Like liveroook for years, it’s just bad recruitment.

        Glaziers are terrible owners, they have to go but they have supported managers with plenty of money

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        #207558
        Chucky McChuckface
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          Have to agree Waspy, as the Abu Dhabites like to yell, Qatar’s spending (might as well get used to the name now! πŸ™‚ ) during the Pepe years has been outstanding… they’ve certainly backed the managers and then some.

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          #207559
          Luckydestiny
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            Ed, I gave it thought when people started mentioning it but it only took 2 minutes of thought to realise its bollocks.

            Just good luck but as I said, not as lucky as Arsenal and utd giving us 125m between them.

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            #207560
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              As I’ve always maintained Sean, the problem with Utd under the Glazers has been a case of spending with no strategy. They’ve spent when it looks like the CL money requires them to. A club like Utd shouldn’t be loaning strikers from Burnley and loaning Jack Butland. That is ultimately the Glazers fault. Not because they haven’t spent money but because they’ve not put the right people in place to ensure any kind of long term plan, just as Liverpool were doing for many years, as you say.

              The state of our facilities are an embarrassment too, which could have all been kept up to date had the Glazers not paid out a billion in interest payments and dividends. That in turn means you have to pay higher fees and salaries because players simply won’t choose us if a club with better facilities offers the same money. Mac Allister a great example. We were after him but he chose Liverpool despite us having CL. Who can blame him? Us being shit with money in the past though is a very hard cycle to break because clubs see us coming and add an extra few million. It’s easy when you’re in City’s position to walk away at that point but we desperately need to strengthen so it’s a very fine balance.

              They need to go but, not because we need to spend more money. I’d much rather we spent less money but it was better planned spending. I think we’d all like to see our clubs become more like how Brighton are run albeit that’s difficult to do at the top level where there is much more scrutiny.

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              #207561
              Chucky McChuckface
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                Sweedy, sounds like to me you could find a reason to blame the Glazers for everything… πŸ™‚

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                #207562
                Chucky McChuckface
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                  Glazers: “We just solved the problem of third world hunger!”
                  Sweedy: “Why didn’t you solve it 20 years ago?? Twats!!!”

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                  #207563
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                    I’m not following Chucky. What exactly am I wrong to blame the Glazers for? Your lot are no better banging on about Levy all the time and how it’s his fault you never win anything

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                    #207564
                    Luckydestiny
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                      Ed, totally back you on that, as much as utd spend they are restricted by owners who have purchased the club with the clubs own money and who are holding out for 5bn+ return on the lowest risk and investment you could ever see.

                      It’s criminal in my eyes that we allow our clubs to be used this way and I fully back all utd fans who want glazers out.

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                      #207565
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                        That’s it Lucky. I think only a non Utd fan could look at Utd’s spending and go “I see no problem here”. Football clubs, their futures, their level of appeal to players are about so much more than their net spend. The debt, the interest payments and the dividend payments have all been shameful. There seems to be a misconception that Utd fans want the Glazers out so we can spend more money. That’s about as far off the mark as you can get.

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                        #207566
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                          Lucky, am I going to warm to Mount? πŸ˜„. I really can’t get excited about the signing. He feels like a Jordan Henderson type of player where he will split opinion among fans. I have no idea what he’s actually good at, just as I don’t with Henderson. Yet, like Henderson, managers seem to love him.

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                          #207567
                          threeps
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                            People often forget about the costs of a football club besides transfers.

                            Old Trafford and I’d assume the training facilities too have been left neglected for many years. If you save money on one area you have more to spend elsewhere.

                            Liverpool are in the middle of another big stadium upgrade and have in the last few years spent a fair amount upgrading the training facilities. That needs to be paid for from somewhere.

                            Arsenal’s stadium is still fairly new and I assume paid for? So they don’t need to put aside funds in to infrastructure. They are reaping the rewards now of their earlier upgrades.

                            City can just syphon off another billion or two from the Sheik and not think anything of it.

                            Spurs are just Spurs.

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                            #207568
                            Luckydestiny
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                              Ed, ten hag was a fan when mount was on loan at vitesse and he believes he has the right profile for his side.

                              I wanted to keep him but not at the money he wanted.

                              Obviously I can’t wish him well at utd, I could say I do but it would be complete and utter bollocks πŸ˜†

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                              #207569
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                                Spot on Threeps. Utd’s transfer spending, while woefully mismanaged, masks huge neglect in other areas.

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                                #207570
                                Chucky McChuckface
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                                  Sweedy, don’t actually blame Levy for everything (although others do!)… sure, he could have spent more in the transfer market, but I can’t blame him for things that happen on the field, so to speak… of course we can blame Levy/Glazers for appointitng the people who appoint the poeple who pick the transfers/teams/tactics, but that’s the point I’m making… you can’t blame them for everything like you’re seemingly trying to do.

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                                  #207572
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                                    They’re not directly responsible for any of our failings Chucky. They are, however, indirectly culpable for the fact that we’re so far behind our rivals. Just as a manager isn’t directly responsible for mistakes made on the field, they ARE responsible for creating an environment and a culture in which mistakes are less likely. If you take your point to the extreme, then even managers should never get blame for anything as it’s the players who make the decisions on the pitch.

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                                    #207573
                                    Chucky McChuckface
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                                      That is ultimately the Glazers fault.

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                                      #207574
                                      sean the sailor
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                                        Fair comments Ed

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                                        #207575
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                                          Exactly Chucky. “Ultimately” being the operative word here.

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                                          #207576
                                          Chucky McChuckface
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                                            Look, as far as I’m concerned, if a club “fails”, then it’s down to everybody in the club, everybody has responsibilites… just blaming the person at the “top of the tree” is a bit pointless…

                                            Anyway, the football club formally known as YooUtd are about to become a Qatari-bitch-plaything-sportswashing-toy…

                                            Can’t help wondering how long it is before you start wishing for the Glazer’s… πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

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