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Mikus….What a post! Actually you are right. The club have a defined and clear strategy. It is simple. Create a good team and replace a position when necessary not just buy anybody
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I just don’t get forest. They signed a heap of players last year and most didn’t play. There is just no concept of money in the pl.
Have to agree about city mikuis. Pep says the key to his success is keeping the squad f fresh.
Our highest net spend in 5 years. Still think we need a big physical number 6 but some reports saying gravenberch may play as a 6 as played 17 games for Ajax there
Fresh new midfield with energy and legs in there. Still top 4 is the main aim
We need a cb aswell.
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City are the current kings of the transfer market, no doubt about that. However they mo have the advantage of unlimited owner money to start with, which enabled them to replace any mistakes quickly as they didn’t need to offload before they can buy, and still don’t.
Not many clubs can do that, and are hampered with having to offload before they can buy.
It’s obviously slightly more complex than that, but that is a massive advantage in the transfer market.
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Spot on Alfie. It’s easy to point at the net spend and say “wow, they’re just brilliant aren’t they?” but it’s far more complex than that. Take, for example, all their academy sales which prop up their recruitment and allows them to point to an impressive net spend. They’re known for making illegal payments to parents which has basically allowed them to scoop up the top talent at youth level from around the world. That has allowed them to create an unrivalled revenue stream. Their academy is basically a sales channel. Sell-on and buyback clauses allow them to avoid any mistakes. It’s impressive but it’s very much all the result of unlimited wealth masquerading as “just being good at transfers” albeit they have been getting most things right, too, in transfers which helps.
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We’ve all said it before and no doubt will say it again, ADSC are a will run club, and as the Jammy Todgers have proved, it’s a lot more than just splashing cash, but let’s not pretend that ADSC haven’t spent billions and billions to get where they are at a time when they were the only club being able to spend billions and billions… it’s only one ingredient in the receipe for success but without a doubt it’s the largest and most important ingredient.
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It’s also a case that, irrespective of how they’ve got to the top, now that they’re there, they no longer need to act immorally (payments to parents, routing payments through other subsidiaries, inflating sponsorship deals etc). They can now sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labour because they’re perceived to be the best place for young players to develop and thus the cycle goes on. The best young players then go there, increasing their revenue stream, allowing them to continue to spend reasonable amounts of money filling the gaps the academy can’t with players financed by academy sales. The rest of us are basically screwed 😁.
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Adlab, indeed Ferguson did do similar at Man Utd. And again it’s because he ensured the club was bigger and the players were ultimately disposable. Beckham & Stam were offloaded without much of a tear I suspect. I think he later admitted letting Stam go was a mistake but it didn’t massively affect them.
As soon as you detach yourself from the players you inevitably make more relaxed rational decisions. That’s obvious but it’s a quality very few seem to have, particularly in a market where players have arguably become brands in themselves and there’s a lot of pull and attraction from them. Also being so cool and ruthless isn’t particularly popular.
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Of course we get critical comments about the money coming in to City. Accept that but..and there is a big but! The club invested a fortune in the Academy. Not buying players but creating a top quality infrastructure to develop young players. Selling quite a number over the last few years has, if you look at the figures, has more than paid for the Academy, the women’s team and have substantial surplus to counter FFP.
This combined with good management is why, at the moment, we are at the top. I understand from the inside that Newcastle, now they have the backing, are going to follow the same blueprint
Ask the question. How much have the Glazers put into the Academy or Spurs (ignoring insider dealing). Even Liverpool invested into their Academy is nowhere as big.
What makes an economy or a business successful,
Long term investment. One reason why the UK economy is so behind.Just waiting for the old comments
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Mikus’ point about not being so dependent on individual players and ensuring it’s the club that matters and not the players had me thinking about Salah. Liverpool seem desperate to hold onto him. Should that be the case? 100% City would have sold him to the Saudis and reinvested. I can’t help thinking Liverpool might regret not selling him if the fee gets to the kind of silly figures being thrown around. Look at West Ham post-Rice, Spurs post-Kane. I realise the critical factor here is timing. There’s no time for a replacement, sure. But I’d genuinely let him go for crazy money if that was me, then reinvest either in Jan or next summer. What difference would it really make this season, anyway? Will Liverpool get relegated if they sell him? Obviously not. Are they likely to win the league with him? No chance. Hence why I don’t see the sense in turning down crazy money.
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We have to have something in place though Ed. There would be ramifications not just on the pitch but fanzine and the commerce Salah generates. He’s a wow factor to the world. This is why Saudis will let loose.
I do get a little bit the point on missing the boat. It’s a trend setter at the moment and a novelty so why he has still is X appeal, he can bring us a substantial amount. It’s just, who do we replace him with as the next Superstar?⚽️🕹
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Man City also invest in the individual in coaching, developing and giving the player ownership. United under SAF was just that and there were not that many duds. Liverpool on the other hand in the past squandered money and didn’t really have the right manager/coach to development the player and turning them into top class.
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Adlab, you are wrong to say other teams haven’t invested in their academies. You point to Spurs, which is ignorant of that fact that their academy is state of the art and the best in the world. Their training facilities, and stadium are world class, ahead of the field. They really are. Take your blinkers off mate and see things for what they are.
One of the main differences between City and other clubs, apart from the illegal payments, is that they also pay for private education for players. To some that is owner wealth, to others it’s ‘investment’. Just depends on your point of view. One thing that most should be able to agree on is that none of that ‘investment’ would have occurred without owners of huge wealth.
Lots of teams pay kids’ parents to move to the local area so their kids can join the club, but nothing to the level of city. Maybe that’s the new normal, maybe it’s gone too far. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but don’t dress it up as if City are some sort of beacon of football. Brighton are doing a similar job, especially in the transfer market on a much smaller budget for example, let’s use them as the way forward.
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Your first paragraph is exactly my point though Nil. Liverpool are desperate for Salah to not go. Is that sustainable? Is that healthy? On Mikus’ point, I can’t help but feel Liverpool should be in a position where they can allow Salah to leave, bank the cash the reinvest when the time suits.
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I don’t think it’s a case of being desperate to keep hold of Salah. If a bid came in a month earlier I think we would have accepted.
It seems like complete shithousery that they waited until the end of the window to bid for him. Is it a coincidence that the bid came after their prem representative got a 10man humbling. Maybe, maybe not.
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Ideal works Ed would he be stays and then they offer silly money in jan or the summer and we have a plan to replace him. He be 32 but these guys just throw money around
Alfie, your wasting your time with adlab mate. The most biased poster on here lol
What your saying is spot on. Over a billion spent since pep came in. Great at selling and buying now but spent huge baste of money to get in this position. Very difficult conversing with adlab as he only sees things the Man City away. Everyone is againest city aswell
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Ed, I think a lot of Liverpool’s success under Klopp has been because of the potency of the attacking players. In some ways I think Klopp built that team around that front 3 (Salah, Mane, Firmino) which maybe wasn’t healthy in the longer term and perhaps made us more dependent on them.
When Ronaldo left Utd the first time under Ferguson, it didn’t massively impact them because they were such a robust side throughout. Also because Liverpool has tended to rebuild more slowly, it means we would be impacted more by players leaving. Salah leaving now probably wouldn’t be as bad as it would have been a few seasons ago because the attack has been more refreshed recently and our attacking strategy I think is changing which is not a bad thing as it looks like we have a more traditional or robust midfield feeding the strikers and hopefully scoring goals themselves.
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Cheers Alfie, saved me the time… 🙂
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Just to expand on my point and explore why some transfers work and some don’t. Let’s look at Sanchez going to Utd. Let’s suppose he’d gone to City instead (apparently City were also chasing him I think). Would Sanchez also have not particularly worked out at City? I’m not sure. Not saying he’d have set them completely alight, but again I revert back to my point – would City have “used” him as opposed to Utd perhaps “needing” him? Would Pep have simply seen him as just one piece in his jigsaw? And maybe he’d have been more effective?
Afterwards, Pep said the following: “I respect that decision and I move forward and look for another solution because the stability of the club is the most important thing. Normally we try to be stable with the wages of the players because I think it is good for the team and stability of the club.”
Via https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pep-guardiola-reveals-manchester-city-11880757
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Chaps. I don’t disagree for a minute that we have had huge investment from enormously wealthy owners. But what I was trying to point out, obviously not well enough, was how effectively that investment has been used and relatively used compared to some. This year we have made £100m worth of Academy sales and not sold a major player compared day with Declan Rice.
I accept I’m a bit! blinkered but others can do the same. Case in point Chelsea to an extent.
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