Summer 2023 transfer window

[Luckydestiny]

In short, either ban contracts over 5 years or allow them, but to dictate terms of amortisation for assets owned by clubs is absurd imo.

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[AllyDickWasQuick]

Lucky, for the price of Chelsea’s last 3 windows you could have had about 75% of a new ground

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[Chucky McChuckface]

For the amount of fans the Jammy Todgers have, that’s a bloody expensive tent!

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[Editor]

Well that was that!

🚨 Romeo Lavia has chosen to join Chelsea from Southampton. Liverpool were pursuing but are aware of decision. #CFC & #SaintsFC have good relations, so no issues expected on deal or personal terms. Fee likely to be around £50m + add-ons @TheAthleticFC #LFC https://t.co/EjmFknCViS

— David Ornstein (@David_Ornstein) August 14, 2023

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[sean the sailor]

Ed, Liverpool fans cannot brush this up anyway. We had Lavia last week but wouldnt go the extra 5m after 3 failed bids. We really wanted him. Then we go bid for Caciedo. Then we go back with 60m bid for Lavia. It’s school boy stuff. It’s beyond embarrassing
Chelsea have got our main target who was Lavia. Chelsea were not even in the equation last week. Domino affect started 18 months ago with edwards going then ward going. We look poor on the pitch as a defensive unit for 12 months. All these are signs that this will end in tears
We have now inflated the price for any other targets we have. It’s just really hard to fathom all this. It’s absolutely shocking. Really is.
We move on. Try get few faces in and try move on from this embarrassment asap. We are going to get some stick for this and deservedly so

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[threeps]

Cant really add anymore to what Sean said. Really embarrassing stuff from Liverpool. I can see us going into the season as is with no proper no 6.

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[Nike19]

Just mixed messages which is the one that’s the real kick in the teeth.

I mentioned earlier; I know we have a history of buying duds, but never have I seen business conducted in this fashion. It’s not even classified as business but instead sheer amateur that’s an embarrassment.

We’re bigger and better than this.

This is the new season and all we’ve had is this in our faces and Chelsea. Pretty depressed. Need time to heal and hopefully a win at Anfield this Sat and Tiago returns for us.

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[Nike19]

How do Chelsea spend all this money? I really give up. No rules or just non-existent for some.

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[threeps]

Nil I posted earlier how Chelsea can spend so much, they have not broken any rules. We only ourselves to blame.

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[Nike19]

Three p’s yeah I did see that. I can’t get my head around beyond supposed spread payments agreed between 2 clubs for a player.

And how amortization fits into this. That sounds more like depreciation yet are both different. Plus. by employing this, how is this then sticking to the original fee agreed?

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[Nike19]

We have positives too extract that alongside Man City, we’re the only top team holding more established players of quality and service; take Jota, Diaz, Trent, for example. Van Dijk and Alisson still important as with Robertson. Nunez now in a second season.

We’re getting swamped into a 19 year old Lavia. Will Caicedo work? Chelsea have far too many players to try and gel in one go and for me yesterday only Chilwell was the stand out.

Granted we need Defensive Midfielders and a new Center Half, but it’s more squad depth than a rebuild. Klopp needs to reenforce a system with more discipline and a tight ship. We need to be more aggressive.

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[Luckydestiny]

Nil, if a team buys a player for 50m over 5 years, it’s 10m per year.

That means a club can buy a 50m player and only needs to bring in 10m that same season to balance the books because only 10m of the 50m is needed to be covered that year.

However,the club would also need to bring in 10m each season for next 4 years of contract also to cover the deal in its entirety.

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[Editor]

You can’t say Chelsea weren’t in the equation Sean. They tried to sign him from Southampton last summer, in fairness. I’m sure they’ve been tracking him for a long time. That’s not to say it’s not an embarrassing turn of events for Liverpool but this isn’t a case of Chelsea just taking players to stop Liverpool getting their hands on them as it seems to sometimes be made out.

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[threeps]

Amortisation is a paper exercise for FFP which is limited to 5 year but not applicable to Chelsea are not in Europe this season. The PLs own rules does not have this 5 years thing and can be spread across the entire 8 years contact which makes it managable.

The actual payment is not the same as amortisation and will have been agreed between the clubs, usually 3 or 4 lump sums plus a few performance/achievement clauses.

So the fee between the two clubs and amortisation are two different things. Probably best not to be too concerned as they haven’t done anything wrong, be more concerned about our own club.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

What I don’t get, and I think we’ve had this dance before, what happens when you sell a player?

You’ve got your 50 million player in, 5 x 10 million for 5 years, you sell him after 3 years for 40 million, so you’ve paid 3 x 10 million per year, plus 40 million for a sale so you’ve only spent 30 million but got 40 million for selling him so you’ve actully made 10 million profit for selling him for 10 million less than the 50 million you paid for him, right?!?!?!?!?

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[Luckydestiny]

If you sold him for 40m after 3 years there would only be 20m left on books, it would be drawn down that year as a 20m net positive on the accounts. (40-20).

That might not make sense at first because you would expect 10m loss not 20m profit, because player was bought for 50m and sold for 40m, right?

However, if you add the 30m already paid and accounted for over previous 3 years to the 20m profit recorded on the accounts it’s (-30) +20 =-10m

It’s shows as a 20m positive after 3 years because 30m has already been recorded as losses over previous 3 years

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[Nike19]

Good clear explanation guys; Thank you. Appreciated.

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[threeps]

Nobody would sell a player for 50m in 5 installments. I think your getting actual payments and amortisation mixed up? Not the same thing!

If you sell a player before you’ve paid all installments you still need to pay.

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[Mikus LFC]

It’s us who have messed up. Firstly, by not refreshing the midfield early enough. When we failed to attract Tchouameni last season, we didn’t look for alternatives, but you wonder if part of the money earmarked for him was used on Nunez instead.

I think a big problem is we have been purely reactive rather than proactive in refreshing the squad. I suspect MacAllister & Szoboszlai were going to be the only major incomings up until Henderson & Fabinho left. Only then I think have we started looking to recruit others, but it looks like we’ve turned up too late to the party with some of the targets.

The thing is though, there are still deeper concerns there. The idea a new defensive midfielder is going to solve all our issues is I think wishful thinking. Half of me thinks Klopp may just about find a new system/tactic and we could have a reasonable season. The other half of me thinks the jig could be up with the Klopp era, and his cycle is coming to an end. Quite a few departments not right at the club for me.

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[Luckydestiny]

Threeps, I’m talking purely in terms of accounting. In general I think fees are paid off quicker than they are amortised as usually a lump sum is paid up front.

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