Summer 2023 transfer window

[Alfie_1]

I thought FIFA changed the rules to stop the 8 year amortisation trick?

The wages are the harder thing to cover as the PL FFP rules only allows a small percentage rise in wages each year unless it is covered by commercial growth.

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[Luckydestiny]

Alfie, it ain’t no trick, it’s a risk any club can take.

And yes, I heard there was to be some sort of arbitrary cap imposed to contract lengths too, for protection of owners like glazers and FSG no doubt. However if rumours of caicedo agreeing 8 yeardeal plus option for extra year are true, then it doesn’t seem to have been imposed as of yet?

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[Luckydestiny]

Regards wages structure Alfie, don’t worry about it, that’s one thing we defo getting right as all the newer players are on lower wages than you would think and all have seen decreases in salary this year due to failure to qualify for champs league as per their contracts. The clauses for increases are all tied to on field success and commercial growth.

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[Luckydestiny]

Best place for him imo. Supremely talented but I have never liked him and always dreaded chelsea bringing him in whenever rumours circulated.

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[sean the sailor]

Fair comments lucky. It’s legitimate and a huge risk but it’s just madness how much Chelsea have spent since became on. Not sure how anyone can compete with that spending.

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[Luckydestiny]

You would have to take same risks Sean, I think that’s why other owners are so pissed.

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[Luckydestiny]

One thing I do wonder about is our lack of shirt sponsor at this stage….maybe we are waiting to see how much we need to bring in in sponsorship to balance books before we magically agree contract for the required amount? Just speculation.

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[Alfie_1]

Sorry Lucky, not sure I was as clear as I should have been.

For accounting purposes Chelsea can offer 8 year deals, but for UEFA FFP purposes UEFA will amortise the values over a maximum of 5 years, regardless of the length of the deal. (Rule G.3.4 paragraph c).

The PL have more relaxed FFP rules than UEFA but one of the rules they have is limiting the base growth of player wages. This will include the bonuses paid for CL qualification and any bonuses for winning trophies etc.

As for your shirt sponsorship, the fee is being queried by the PL (due to potential ownership interference) and is going through an independent panel to agree a fair value.

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[Luckydestiny]

Yeah infinite athlete or something like that they are called.

Also re the max term of amortisation if this is now the rules, this is now the rules. Seems arbitrary though and seem to be a rule for protection of parasites such as utds owners imo

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[Luckydestiny]

Just to make my position clear, rules are rules. Clubs like Everton are crippled by FFP rules and so if any club breaches these rules to gain unfair advantage, or lies to get around them, they deserve severe sanction.

If chelsea break any rules you will not hear any whataboutery from me or any pathetic sophist arguments to justify it.

All that said, utd fans complaining about other ownership models and questioning how you can compete is laughable. Utd have far more resource than chelsea, and, if they weren’t owned by parasites who take money out of a club they haven’t even paid for and, instead, spent the resource wisely, chelsea would not be a concern of yours.

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[sean the sailor]

I think that’s a bit unfair on utd to be honest lucky. It’s only a discussion on how a club can spend close to 1b in 3 windows. Every club is thinking the same

Utd fans hate their owners. They want them gone but utd have spent money just very poorly over the last decade.

I was talking about Liverpool as our owners when they bought the club thought it be a fair field to compete because of fffp which has turned out to be false

Again not moaning about Chelsea as they have found a way to get around it and as you say, maybe it will catch up with them soon. It’s just a crazy model at the minute as it’s maddness the amount of players still being brought in. Last years spending was just bizarre by ted. It’s like a toy to him ss he hasn’t a clue about football

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[Luckydestiny]

Sean, it’s not harsh it’s spot on. I will accept complaints from 99.9% of clubs but utd have no right to play victim when they have the resource to out compete chelsea at every level. Chelsea’s owners aren’t the problem for utd fans, it’s utds owners and as you say even utd fans will admit that.

Chelsea will suffer the consequences of our poor decisions.

I think the worry for other owners is if the strategy works though.

As a fan I am demanding my club walks a fine line, investing everything we possibly can but without making mistakes and breaching FFP or PL rules. I have no genuine idea of which side we are currently leading towards but of course I am fearing the worst.

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[sean the sailor]

Ah fair enough lucky. Utds owners have still spend loads of money in the last decade

I just thought fffp was brought in so clubs were on an even keel and could compete but that’s not the case no matter which way you look so it

Fffp isn’t working

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[Alfie_1]

Lucky, you are conflating me pointing out you are wrong with your understanding of FFP rules with me complaining or playing the victim.

I’m not complaining or playing a victim, just stating that UEFA have rules which limits the amortisation of transfer fees (and agent fees etc) over a maximum period of five years. No need to get your knickers in a twist.

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[Luckydestiny]

No Alfie that’s fine mate, if you are just concerned for chelsea messing up then no worries 👍

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[Luckydestiny]

Sean, let’s be on the level mate, we have known from the start that FFP was not about creating a level playing field. By its nature it was to re enforce the hierarchy/status quo.

Let’s not be surprised that it hasn’t led to equal playing field when that was clearly never the purpose.

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[sean the sailor]

No worries lucky.

Interesting to see how spurs get on today. Ange a real
Attacking manager

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[Luckydestiny]

Maddison is a great acquisition I think sean

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[Alfie_1]

Nope, I don’t think Chelsea have messed up. I think the long term contracts could well be a good thing -stops other clubs coming in and buying the players. My point was that you are wrong on FFP and amortisation!

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[Luckydestiny]

Alfie, I am sure I am wrong or ill informed regards plenty of regulations mate, that’s no drama.

I just hope my clubs understanding of it all is a lot sharper than my own 😆 I have been aware we are talking huge risks since the first spending spree last summer and am continuously anxious we will cross the line and breach.

If we break rules other clubs are abiding by we will deserve all we get mate.

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