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9, or you could say Chris Sutton scored goals at Blackburn and at Celtic, but couldn’t hit a bulls arse with a banjo at Chelsea. As with all players it’s the how they work with other players and how they adapt their game to make a system work that brings results…..Pagan
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many a striker has been successful elsewhere and then been crap at Chelsea though. Torres, Shev, Lukaku, Salah, Falcao
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Fair point Nine, I would go further and say the gap will get wider season on season. Rangers and Celtic have made it a two team league for years, I disliked our being top4, I think it developed to top 6 and I hope next season it will be a fight between top 8. We need competitive league
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Foxy, we are way way off beam now mate and the waters have been significantly muddied.
Let’s go back to the theme of your original two posts that started off this discussion.
Watching You Tube highlights is not the way to judge any player imho they only show you the best bits.
Assessing what a player has achieved in the SPL particularly a striker in the current SPL which is a poor poor League and hoping that,that will translate to the EPL is unlikely imho.
But you never know and at £15m as I’ve said before he’s worth a punt by Leicester.
Edouard will have a lot to prove if he does come to the PL I can only wish him the very best and hope it all goes well for him.
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Pagan, true enough mate but Sutton playing alongside the likes of Zola and Poyet etc should have done better than more than one goal.
I was at the Bridge to see all of Sutton’s home games and the one I missed was when he scored v treble winning United because I was away on business in Japan at the time, thumping header in a 5 nil win I had the English Japan Times delivered to my room first thing every morning and I couldn’t believe the result both my boys were at the Bridge for the game though so I could eventually check out it’s authenticity with them.
I almost forgave Sutton just for that goal.😊
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9, the post was there to show that it’s not just the league you play in that affects your effectiveness, Sutton did really well in the Prem with Blackburn, their style of play brought out the best in him, he moved to Chelsea and he couldn’t adapt to the players and style of play there, and the team wasn’t going to change just to accommodate one player. At Celtic I would say that the club was more willing to change the way they played to suit the “big signing from the premier league” which allowed him to thrive…..Pagan
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Pagan, I had already agreed with your point re the style of play with my response to you of “true enough mate”.
Sutton scored more goals playing for Celtic in the SPL than he did anywhere else and one of the reasons for that was he was playing against much weaker opponents in the SPL and that the SPL then and even more so now is a much weaker League than the PL and to expect a striker scoring a high number of goals in the SPL now to repeat that level of scoring in a much stronger PL now against much better opponents is unlikely and reviewing a highlights package of a player on You Tube won’t give an accurate view of a players capabilities because they only show the best of him those were the two key points I was making Pagan.
For instance I suspect England’s would look a whole lot better currently if they were playing a Test Series against Zimbabwe rather than New Zealand because Zimbabwe would be much weaker opponents.
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9, yeah I know you did, was just making the point that teams in lesser leagues will change styles to accommodate what they see as a big name capture whereas big teams in big leagues will expect players to change to adapt to their style, the best players will always adapt, I would say Sutton failed to adapt at Chelsea and Celtic played to his strengths, and as you say it was a much easier league in Scotland…..Pagan
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So much for City not being able to afford a striker! 😄 Levy should be biting their hand off for that based on his showings this summer and the fact he wants to leave
Official bid already sent from Manchester City for Harry Kane. 🚨
– £100M guaranteed as fee.
– #MCFC available to include players in the deal.
– Sterling, Laporte, Gabriel Jesus among the names.
– #THFC have NO intention to accept this bid.
– Nothing decided during the Euros. https://t.co/AYint8nAQD— Fabrizio Romano (@FabrizioRomano) June 21, 2021
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IF, this was true and I sincerely hope not, 100 million less any player (s) City would off load may bring it down to 50 million, worth a punt at that but I think much better targets are on view. Levy will never accept anything as an opening offer, so this will drag on and on and on. Kane has few options really, City have a few, I just do not see him in a City shirt somehow, would be great for Utd though and think he would do well at OT
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I very much doubt Utd would pay anything like what Levy would want for a soon-to-be 28 year old Brian. Utd tend to only buy older players now as stop gaps, not really as big money buys. He doesn’t really fit what Utd are trying to do in terms of buying younger players. Clearly Pep feels he’s what City need. He’d improve every side in the league, though, without question.
I can’t see any club paying what Levy would want but City appear the most likely.
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Indeed Ed, I can’t see any other club coming in for him. Given his age, he’s in the luxury section and he’s one that only they can afford.
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Given what Pep said about not being able to sign a striker, I do wonder if this decision has come above his head from the chairman who recently said,
“Having won the league, it is not the time to sit back and be content. That would be your biggest mistake.
“This is the time to send a strong message, that there’s no contentment, that you’re not satisfied with just winning the league.
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Yes I did wonder the same Mikus. It would seem strange that they’d want to spend so much money against Pep’s own wishes though considering how badly they need to hold onto Pep.
I doubt anybody genuinely believed the “impossible for us to buy a striker” line anyway.
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City are clearly interested in bringing Kane in and there are very few players that can improve City and a fully firing Kane is one such player and City do need a striker, there are also very few options if any in that position Haaland is one but he will be even more expensive he comes with Raiola too and Pep clearly and perhaps understandably dislikes having anything to do with him and with a salary requirement of allegedly £600k per week.
Tbh I think what Khaldoon Al Mubarak said was spot on in terms of an overall objective for the Club I also think City are a very together Club and I can’t see Mubarak going above Pep’s head or Pep ever accepting it if he ever did.
However I don’t think Levy will accept £100m he’ll ridiculously want more and I think he might resist player exchanges too and want the whole fee if Kane goes and whilst Levy won’t want him to go ultimately it’s not worth hanging on to an unhappy player especially one who is your star player and Captain who is so set in leaving and I think he will likely go to City over anyone else in the PL because I don’t think United will spend that level of money on a 28 year old and and I can’t see Haaland’s Dad allowing his son to go to United and Spurs will never sell Kane to Chelsea. PSG with Poch there might but be an option though?
It will only all become clearer after the Euros though.
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Perhaps so Ed, but I can’t help but think this is more of a reaction from City after another disappointment in the CL. And reactions don’t always tend to be well thought through. People may point to Van Persie joining Utd & being very successful but it fizzled out pretty quickly and it obviously wasn’t a sustainable signing in terms of the development of the team in the longer term. I think sometimes teams just need to be allowed time to transition after periods of success rather than constantly throwing the kitchen sink at it. Yes it doesn’t really matter as much when you’ve got deeper pockets, but I still think patience is better and more fruitful.
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Nine…you are right, the City Chairman will not go over Peps wishes. If Pep wants Kane he will get him, I just do not think he is right for City, then what do I know!!!! I believe Kane has two good years in him IF he keeps fit and can keep pace. I believe the game will get even faster with all the young talented players appearing. I would still go for a young, talented, hungry player. City have not been short of scoring goals with or without a striker year on year, it is the system that creates goals. We are useless at penalties though!!
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Brian, it’s not so much I meant that the hierarchy went over Pep’s head without consulting him, more that it was them that were pushing for it and from Pep’s point of view, he’ll obviously want good players to come to the club. Like you, I personally would consider a younger alternative and I’d play the longer game and be more patient. Also, with the City player names mentioned for potential makeway transfers to help the deal, that’s not ideal for team harmony. But as with many things, it’s all about the now.
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This is the first City transfer in a long time that I’ve been worried about. I hope I’m wrong but I agree with Brian, Kane is not worth £100M, he’s too old, too injury prone, we would never be able to sell him if it didn’t work out, and it could take too long for him to fit into our system (even EPL player of the year Mahrez took 18 months to learn our system and get regular game time). I can only assume that City have already enquired about Haaland and Mbappe and been told that neither have any interest in coming to City, in which case Kane is probably the next best option. If this isn’t the case then we are opening the door for all of our rivals, especially the currently skint Spanish ones, to have a free run at Haaland or Mbappe in the near future. I hope I’m wrong on all counts.
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I think Kane definitely fits the system for City, however I agree he’s too old to be spending that amount on.
I disagree about United, he is precisely the type of player they would blow a ridiculous amount on. If they don’t get Haaland (and I can’t see that happening in a million years) then I think they will panick buy on Kane. The other one is Chelsea, again if they don’t get Haaland then I can see him being their next choice!_____________________________
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