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Only a discussion lads. We were discussing Nunez flaws and how he will fit in. This a forum to discuss football. Thatβs all. No point getting uptight about it chums
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Well, last England match this evening with about an hour away. Thank goodness. The players can then shut up shop and get on the beach, hahaha as if! π π
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Mikus, (re the 13th 6:10p), just seen your post and I was thinking along these lines myself. The media I will say will naturally pose their spin to align people into ‘a certain way of thinking’. That of course is the big money-big name-hype-instant success and pressure.
And this is what got me thinking without Haaland. They won the League without him and were highest goalscorers. City have goals all over the pitch. I’m not sure whether Grealish did make a great deal of difference, but like you point out, it was more of a statement signing and in my eyes, I’m thinking sort of the same.
If people choose to think this way, then they are noticing that it’s not about 2/3 players, but a joint effort and the strength in depth. Personally, I don’t feel they’d be pressure as such on Haaland. It will be interesting to see how Pep integrates him into the 1st 11.
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A big club’s going to take a punt on Eriksen I suspect.
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Nil, the biggest signing both City & Liverpool made were their respective managers, Guardiola & Klopp. They are the lynchpins of their respective successes. The paradox (and danger) of success is that you start to forget the ingredients that got you there in the first place, and you can start buying the real top end players just because you can do as the number of opportunities of your success skyrocket. Now both Guardiola & Klopp are outstanding managers who will most probably find a way to adapt such players into their respective teams, but I do really wonder how much Pep in particular wanted Haaland. A combination of the best manager with the best players is not the optimum condition – that condition is reached with the best manager and the most *effective* players. As I said, the signing of Veron at Utd was such an example of it not always working. Success can make you drunk if you’re not careful.
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In fact, if you chart the success of club buys of players who weren’t stars before they signed and those who were stars when they signed, I suspect the players with better longevity at their clubs were those who weren’t stars before they signed. If you look at City, I’d argue Mahrez was maybe the only established star that was bought and he took a few seasons to fully establish himself at City. Same applied at Utd under Ferguson – his teams were mainly made of players who became stars under him as opposed to him buying established stars. And the established stars were established probably because the team they were at was built around them, then they had to adapt to a new team/country.
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Probably also an element of thinking of shirt sales when buying established stars.
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4-0 is a humiliation. Southgate needs to go. Fed up of him and his boredom.
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Mikus…if that were so….I think he would say it was another challenge to adapt. pep has consistently said from day he would like certain players but not at silly prices, even once said , we cannot afford hi but was given his Birthday cake!!!! I understand what you are saying though
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Pathetic performance, followed by some very poor refereeing. Most of that England team are not or ever will be International class. No excuses beaten by a better team who got it tactically right, waited and just picked us off, great teamwork
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Simon Jordan summed up the situation below. Southgate is a safe pair of hands that can say the right things in the media. But a safe pair of hands doesn’t win you tournaments.
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Southgate stated after the match. “he was pleased with performance”. Says it all!!
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Southgate out, Mancini out, did I leave someone else out.
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It raises question marks for me on certain players whether they are really good quality individually at international stage.
A few I believe are technically in Kane, Sterling and Foden, but John Stones? Harry Maguire? Some of these for their clubs are surrounded by better players that make them look good.
I know though in nature in defense of the team, individual players and the manager, the argument will be that we reached the final with these crop of players last year.
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Nunez Β£64m rising to a possible Β£85m.
That’s a lot. Is he that good.
England were very poor tonight. Once again no creativity._____________________________
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I have been completely switched off from England internationals ever since Gareth took charge. He treats internationals like a nursery for kids, has zero tactical nous and is so incredibly defensive when we have some of the most exciting attacking threats in the world. At the last world cup and the Euros he has been in winning positions only to invite the oppostition to attack his team and we inevitably fall short. I’d actually say he could be a really good assistant manager for morale for a far more tactically knowledgable and experienced foreign coach.
If we wanted to keep it English, I’ve said all along, I’d love to see what Sean Dyche could do with the national team. He’s only ever had shoestring budgets and therefore technically-lacking players at his disposal, would love to see what he could achieve with the pool of talent at his disposal. Also keenly watching what Howe can do with talent at Newcastle. He definitely is one for the future in my mind._____________________________
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Nil, don’t think Maguire is made to look good by anyone for his club π
England players are always hyped up but in truth there are some very good players. Kane, Sterling, Foden, Trent, James, Rice, Saka, most international teams would love those players.
Southgate plays slow boring safe football that limits creativity. Very average manager who only has the job because he is minimal maintenance for the FA and meets their low expectations.
Didn’t he get the job based on only a not very successful time with Middlesboro?
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Threeps, I think he got the job more so on the fact of his work with the under 21s. He’s done a decent job this far IMO bit it’s clear to me that he’s taken this side as far as he can. There’s no way he’ll be sacked with 2 games to go before the world cup but I can’t help thinking we’re wasting a world cup by keeping him. Poch to Newcastle and Howe to England would make sense but I’m certain it will be Southgate who takes us to Qatar, unfortunately. A group exit, no doubt.
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Forgot about the u21s. England have the players to play fast exciting football it must be frustrating for you English to watch.
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His tactics againest Italy in the summer were desperate. Dreadful stuff. Englandβs best bunch of players for a good while and they are horrible to watch.
Sean dyche plays horrible football. I donβt think he would try to change his ways even with England having much better players then Burnley. Managers like him , big Sam, Hodgkin, Graham Taylor etc all only know one way to play
Sam, Taylor and hodgson all went to decent clubs but continued to play their style of football which was horrible to watch.
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