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I am not sure what players Amorim needs to succeed. Alonso plays a similar style and he flourished right away. Difference is, Alonso didn’t walk into a mess.
Like I mentioned, Amorim comes in, drops Rashford for his performances and Rashford days later pulls off a interview behind the clubs back talking about needing a new challenge. Proving what I have been saying, he is playing for himself. Coincidentally he was at a school helping out. Great PR. That is the problem, players like him have got their own way for so long, where it has created a split. Rashford should be bleeding for this club, like Gerrard use to for Liverpool.
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Quite a few clubs haven’t challenged for the title in the last 11 years… π
I’m not saying YooUtd aren’t a big club, I’m just saying they aren’t the ‘biggest’ club in the world. They might have been a few years ago, I’m simply offering a different opinion. Do YooUtd have a lot of fans, more than most clubs? Of course they do, but I don’t see many kids wearing YooUtd shirts these days, with regards to English clubs it’s all 115 and Jammy Todgers, plus your usual Barcas, Madrids, and reasons I don’t quite understand, an awful lot of Bayern shirts where I live.
AS for revenue… Mr. Google just told me my Spuds are ranked 8th in the world… are they the 8th best club in the world? Even I would say no to that… π
(YooUtd were 5th on that list, behind the 115 before you ask!)
Your huge fan base is simply left over from the Fergie years… and it’s not getting any bigger.
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I must admit, I did think whether keeping Van Nistelrooy on as manager for the rest of the season would have been a better bet. As CM says, he kept things simple and played to their strengths. I wasnβt necessarily against Amorim as I thought he had charisma and seemed to play positively with a clear identity. But you have to be flexible and pragmatic in the early days because you need to get results. OR you need to at least demonstrate quickly that the players are responding to you. Iβm sorry but this idea a new manager can get away with a lot of poor/mixed results for a long time at a big club is for the birds. We saw how long Moyes got into his six year contract at Utd. You have to deliver or demonstrate something fairly quickly. Thatβs why youβre paid millions. Thereβs no wide berth given at a big club. There is only expectation, regardless of the situation you walk into.
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Sean, I donβt think Iβve been lauding average players at all. All Iβve ever done is question why you think I would write players off after a few weeks at the club. That would be madness and Iβll never do that. Weβve bought some awful players and plenty who I thought would do better than they have done. Iβm convinced that a lot of these players are better than my club makes them appear. McTominay bossing Serie A a prime example. These players are poor but I donβt think theyβre THIS bad. Weβre just a mess and, like CM, I just feel detatched from the club and the game at the moment. Losses used to affect me. Now Iβm just not that bothered any longer when we lose. Itβs a long way back from here.
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Fair point threeps chum π
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Ed, you said de ligt was doing well when he was absolutely dreadful againest liverpool, spurs and porto. Part of a defence conceding loads of goals. Hes been poor.
Neville said no one looked at the summer window and said it was bad? Loads called out de ligt, zirskee aswell as having a question mark over them. You said mazourri was bargain of the season. He started well but has been shocking recently. I get your point not writing them off and time os needed but lets not laud mediocrity so far.
You have utd fans on line saying ugarte has been good? Doing what? Fouling players.
I get you, to early to write off but they havvent been great at all.14th reflects how these lads are doing that is my point
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Also threeps, very early days on slot. Lets see how it all pans out mate but be gladly pulled up that qoute if proved totally wrong
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Sean, I get things wrong. Iβm not perfect. Iβm sure youβve been wrong about things in the past havenβt you? I know your default is to be negative about everything then itβs a bonus if youβre proved wrong but I just canβt do that. Itβs our job as fans to be optimistic about our clubs albeit we have to be realistic too. I honestly donβt see the point in just being negative about everything and hoping to be proved wrong. That would be the end of football for me. I need some hope for it to be enjoyable. Of course youβre going to get fans saying someoneβs been good and others disagreeing. Thereβs millions of fans supporting the same team. Do you think theyβre all going to agree on everything all the time?
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Apologies Banjo. Thought you said United were not a big club, rather than whether they are the biggest club. United have never been the biggest club in the world. That goes to Madrid. If they come sniffing for 1 of your players, you might as well start looking for a replacement.
Whether a player wants to join United, City or Liverpool. If you want to win trophies, then Liverpool and City are the obvious ones and players will be drawn to that. That is all down to United being a mess at the moment.
I would take City’s revenue with a pinch of salt and * at the moment.
15 years ago Milan were in the top 5. They have dropped off. Whilst United have been on a dreadful run for a decade are still there. I believe that is the stature of the size of the club. But I believe that is going to change the next 5-10 years if things remain the same.
https://www.forbes.com/lists/soccer-valuations/
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I don’t think De Ligt has been that bad. Martinez has been dreadful. So has Dalot. Their positioning and awareness has been terrible.
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Fully neville thinks dalot has been good cm.
Not like that all the ed, my point was utd fans standards have dropped and average players are lauded as good. Nothing to do with been proven right. Im wrong a lot of the time as pointed out by threeps mate π
Happy new year in abyway ed and chums
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Happy new year Sean π
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Not sure who Neville been watching. Dalot has been ass. I’m sure he recently said Gvardiol was the best left back this season so far.
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The only bad thing about it really is itβs deflecting from spurs being super spursy!!
Nancy at least have the decency to start some threads like cm
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No apologies needed, cyber chum, merely suggesting they are not as big as they used to be and have been overtaken by other clubs over the last decade or so…
And I wouldn’t trust anybody’s “number”, they’re all at it, cooking the books. π
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One thing United supporters can definitely do is ignore Neville!
Too many Managers tried out and they all can’t be wrong, or can they?
Good place to start is investing and sticking with youth. I felt previously, a few of the Marquee players worked out well, so maybe something like that, but it’s who you can attract.
Time will ultimately be the judge.
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Ed and cm, i totally get you. Its a horrible deflating feeling when supporting your team and everything they try is bot working
This manager needs time. Needs players to fit the system. Really tough times for utd fans as you didnβt think it could get any worse but aniron should have a free hit this season. He needs a full pre-season and time
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It’s chicken and the egg… get a new manager who has a very different style to the old manager, do you..
A) Have him play the same way as his old club (which is why you appointed him)
B) Have him play the same way at the new club (which is why you fired the old manager)
C) Have him play somewhere in the middle (which confuses all the players)
D) Use the whole situation as a “deflective” wall to hide how brilliantly smart the owners are! π_____________________________
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Without jinxing this, for me, Slot has been perfect for what I wished in Klopp, but didn’t quite happen. Not the philosophy of the football, but eliminating the high-line approach, pressing high too quick and in frequency, and not enforcing 2 holding midfielders. Gini box-to-box was a loss and Hendo and Fabinho were no longer up to pace.
United players can’t just be expected overnight to change in ‘their ways of working’ if they’ve been used to and adjusted previously by one particular way.
And yes, my perception of how United play is fast paced wingers and threat from the middle of the park like in the 90s.
I’m not sure holding my hands up, what exactly is Amorim about compared to what I saw of in during his time at Lisbon.
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