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22nd December 2024 at 7:34 pm #216940
Was at todays game and the players looked lost. Since he has come in United have conceded 17 goals.
His 3-4-2-1 system clearly does not work. Just seems more complicated than what the previous manager wanted to do.
I am all for him being given time and he needs a pre season, along with a few transfer windows to address things, but he seems to be over complicating things at the moment.
The Ugarte sub was bizarre, Mainoo isn’t a defensive midfielder. Bournemouth just cut through United after that. Once Bournemouth were comfortable, they just took the foot off the peddle.
Absolute shambles of a performance. Ruud kept things simple and played to the players strengths to someone who expects players to play out of position and are all over the place. How have United conceded 17 goals playing a back 5.
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30th December 2024 at 9:28 am #217018When a manager first comes to a team they obviously want to play their way, but I do not think Utd have those players. I think most managers would be flexible enough to work with what they have and slowly introduce their style but it seems Amorim does not have that approach. I might be wrong, not seen much of Utd since his appointment so correct me if I am wrong.
One thing I saw was a pundit say he looks as if he is already struggling with his decision. He looks deflated already, and recently put out a rather negative comment about being sacked. Not good signs.
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30th December 2024 at 11:28 am #217021Can’t believe he came out and said that, if I’m honest, talk about admitting defeat before a ball is kicked.
Still, can’t see YooUtd getting rid until summer at the earliest, not unless they really are in trouble with relegation but I genuinely can’t see one of the current bottom 3 catching them… I think…. 🙂
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30th December 2024 at 1:29 pm #217024Ah such early days. Always thought the job was to big for him but who else was there?
He needs plenty of time.
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30th December 2024 at 9:15 pm #217032I never understand the whole “job too big for him”, based on what, coming from a Portuguese team? Slot came from a Dutch team and that league is lower ranked than the one Amorim came from.
Utd have had big name managers recently and they failed. There’s something underlining at the club that is a receipe for disaster. I think it’s a combination of poor player recruitment and coaches selecting poor tactics for what they have at their disposal, and that blame lies higher up the ladder.
He indeed needs time, I’d say at least to the end of next season to have enough chance to get his players in to play his style. Will he get it? I’m starting to doubt it.
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30th December 2024 at 9:54 pm #217037Based on him managing a portugese team and him been 39 years of age and really done sweet feck all.
I said the same about slot thiugh aswell threeps mate 😂
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30th December 2024 at 10:54 pm #217040Hes very very young. Not even 40
Who had succeed at a big club under 40 with a bit of experience?
Rodgers, villa boas are two who didnt? Anyone else?
I cant think of any. Hes won one portugese title.
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30th December 2024 at 11:27 pm #217041Slot is 46. Maresca is 44. Alonso is 43 I think. Nagelsmann is 37 and managed in the Bundesliga when he was 12 or something. Pep was 37 I think we he inherited and enhanced the best club team in history. Age and the job being too big is just a thing fans throw about without any real reasoning. If you’re good enough you’re old enough.
Is Amorim good enough? Or is it the players? Or just a conflict in styles? Can Ineos find out what is to blame and fix it, or should fans start to question them?
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31st December 2024 at 9:03 am #217042I think you’re downplaying his achievements in Portugal a bit Sean. He managed to break an almost 20 year wait for a league title for Sporting and won 2, not 1 title and was flying again this season towards a 3rd. That’s not to say you’re wrong about the job being too big for him. It may well be. I honestly don’t know what the problem is at my club any more. They’re just a shambles in every single department at the moment. I’d love to say stick with the manager no matter what but if we start genuinely nearing the bottom 3, there’ll be no alternative but to sack him. Then the cycle begins again.
The thing is, if they did sack him, what then? Ole until the summer then bring a new guy in? It’s just a mess where I see no light at the end of the tunnel.
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31st December 2024 at 9:25 am #217043He has been brought in too soon. Should have been brought in during the summer. He needed a pre season to properly analyse things. He has walked in to a poison chalice. Look at Rashford weeks in to Amorims appointment. Absolute disgrace. He has done nothing for that club and he thinks he is Steven Gerrard. Too many players who think they are better than what they are and only playing for themselves, along with a moronic owner who made a statement saying he is going to put the ‘Manchester’ back in Manchester United, yet has done anything but. Cutting jobs, stopping to poor ex players, cutting bonuses and expenses to low income employees.
Club is finished and dead. 35 years following this club and never been so detached from it. Unlikeable players, unlikeable owners. The whole club stinks.
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31st December 2024 at 9:40 am #217045Everybody know’s how much I love YooUtd and I’m certainly not sulking about their current predicament, that’s for sure, but I’m thinking part of their problem is thinking they can solve it all by just throwing money at it…
We all know bundles of cash most certainly do help, but in this league their are plenty of other clubs with plenty of cash to throw around (legally or not!), so you also need the two other parts of the trifecta, with is a top draw manager and a top draw recruitment/youth set-up… naturally the jury is out on the manager but I think the biggest issue is, and has been for several years, recruitment… wasting oodles of cash on players based on their CV’s, like Casamrio etc…
Sacking Ruben would be pointless (and as much as I would love it!) I don’t think you’re in much realistic danger of being relegated (as mentioned before there are at least 3 worse teams!)… the only way forward is to understand Ruben needs to get rid of quite a few players, and get in (or actually coach) the players who fit into his system… might be 18 months plus of pure hell (for YooUtd fans!) but I think the dry/rinse/repeat cycle they’ve been doing for a while now is going to do nothing other than a decent cup run or two…
Same thing with Angie really, as much as I’m annoyed with his stubborness, back him with the players he wanted (by all accounts both Gallager and Olise were both ready to sign last summer but it was Levy, no surprise there, who bulked when it came to signing)…
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31st December 2024 at 10:04 am #217046Ah no fair comment lads. He needs plenty of time to implement his style and his ideas. He has certainly handled the media very well so far.
Ive given reasoning threeos, all those are over 40.hes 39. Rodgers and avb come to mind. Its such a massive change for him. Absolutely huge coming from sporting to utd who are the biggest club in the world. Dealing with bigger players, much more mrdia, much mote staff to integrate with and sporting team who manage transfers.
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31st December 2024 at 10:13 am #217047Ed, no fair point on amiron ive said many times these players arent good enough but he needs time with them.
You have people lauding average players. Ugarte now? Runs around fouling people. De ligt only back in but already in a team conceding loads if goals. These guys have bot been good so far but utd fans are teying to big them up. 14th ffs. Masourri startrd well bow looks poor in a back 5.
Still to early to judge as they need time to settle in a new club and under a new systemMany utd fans thought they would see a bounce as the players were deemed good enough. Time will tell there as he does needs time with him.
Ashworth and all tye boise abiut ineos is not helping anything. Still a huge mess off the pitch.
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31st December 2024 at 10:29 am #217048When we signed Casemiro, he was exactly the type of player United needed at the time. He did well during his debut season and the experience the club needed. Otherwise it would have been Mctominay and Fred. Experienced players are the ones who have turned up for United, Zlatan, Cavani, Ronaldo, Casemiro(1st season).
The problem has been the young players attitude and their reluctant to develop or not actually being good enough, especially in the attacking department. Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Dan James, Antony, Gernacho(still young), Hojlund(still young). Then you have the likes of Sanchez, Lukaku who flopped. These players are not going to get you challenging for league titles. None of them have been good enough to consistently get you 20+ goals.
Some of the decision making and judgement has been questionable, why buy Antony, when he isn’t as good as Elanga. Why not use that money on a proper clinical striker. It has been like this for a decade and now it has caught up. Unfortunately Amorim has walked into this. This is the open heart surgery Ragnick was referring to.
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31st December 2024 at 10:30 am #217049Biggest club in the world? Maybe 10 years ago…
You can make a reasonable argument they’re not even the biggest club in Manchester anymore.
For example, the 115 will very likely go out and spend 200 million in Jan, getting 3 or maybe 4 players which would probably walk into every side outside the current Top4 (maybe not Forest)…
Will YooUtd be able to do that? They might have the 200m (ish) but who would want to sign for them? They might get a few “youngsters” but any real “top draw” players? I don’t think so…
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31st December 2024 at 10:35 am #217050Banjo-
The last summer window United have signed De Ligt, Ugarte, United will always be a draw for players. People keep saying who would want to play for them now, yet we still attract players.
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31st December 2024 at 10:46 am #217051Don’t remember any other “big” clubs going for them, and I’m sure the huge wedges YooUtd threw at them had nothing to do with it… there was even a comment somewhere I read today Zirkkee only went because his team pushed him to YooUtd because they were willing to pay higher agents fees than everybody else… and I certainly don’t recall De Light or Ugarte throwing their toys out their pram to join…
I’m fairly certain if YooUtd and the 115 offered the same transfer fee and wages to the same player, that player would be wearing light blue on Saturdays and dodgy tracksuits the rest of the week while humming “Wonderwall”… 🙂
Of course YooUtd are going to attract players, they’re certainly bigger than the vast majority of clubs around, and for the vast amount of players will be a step, but the biggest club in the world guaranteed to attract any player they want? Pull the other one, cyber chum!
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31st December 2024 at 11:22 am #217053CM you are attracting the wrong players, or those for a certain style and then change that when you replace the manager. Amorim will suffer because he doesn’t have the players he needs for his style and he is reluctant to change to accommodate those he has. So either he will be sacked prematurely or utd bite the pillow for a season and a half and see where they are after he gets what he needs.
Sean, 40 isn’t a magical number, the difference between Slot and Amorim is only a few years and similar experience. You want every manager to be Ancellotti? I remember you said Slot will be fired within 18 months and cited similar reasons so excuse me if I don’t take your reasoning seriously.
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31st December 2024 at 11:40 am #217054The mention of Rodgers I think is pertinent to this thread of discussion. Liverpool really we at a low point with Hicks and Gillette and Rafa departing, then having Roy and Kenny.
This was the route which was risky with Rodgers then aged 42 taking on naturally a huge job with expectations.
If you remember the Being Liverpool documentary, I remember him saying prior to kick off at West Brom, “this is going to be a long hard journey”.
The 2nd Season of his was memorable and we nearly won the Title in 2014.
The one thing I would commend our club truly for is moving with the times when it comes to consistent modifications to the stadium and well as training ground facilities and keeping up with youth development.
There’s not great vibes at United at this moment in time and fractured if anything from top to toe so there’s a lot of bridge building to be achieved from all quarters.⚽️💯🕹
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31st December 2024 at 12:12 pm #217055115 offered the same transfer fee and wages to the same player, that player would be wearing light blue
Historically United have been rejected by players, whilst they were on top, Shearer, Batistuta and so on. So have City and so have Liverpool. Van Dijk joined Liverpool over City, whilst City were winning things and breaking records. Didn’t Caicedo reject Liverpool for Chelsea, even though Liverpool offered the same salary and transfer fee.
I can also say you remove the state ownership of City, what are they. You remove the Glazers and Ratcliffe from Manchester United, they still will generate some of the biggest revenue in world football. United even at a mediocre level are still getting record breaking sponsorship deals and revenue. They are 2nd in the most valuable football club in world football. This is a club that hasn’t challenged for a league title in 11 years. How many clubs can say that?
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