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Think you mixed up about whose young and old. Mourinho always blames someone else when he can’t get results. Check his history with Chelsea and Madrid and now United. If we blame someone else at work it’s called a lack of accountability. Bosses everywhere look down on that characteristic.
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CM, this was always going to be Mourinho’s biggest test. Given the history and playing style of United and the United squad having been allowed to drift from the end of Fergies reign. Then he’s had Pep and City to deal with too playing the kind of football United used to play.
I think United saw Jose as a short term fix to get them competing for the title again and that hasn’t worked out and City look like they’ll dominate the title for several seasons so a short term fix is now probably not the answer hence the reluctance to bring in most of Mourinho’s targets this Summer.
I can see United going a different way now with a DOF and an attack minded Coach like Jardim trying to blend in the United youngsters too but time will tell.
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Good thought provoking posts chaps… I’m afraid these discussions always get labeled as anti Mourinho or anti Man U.
This reality check for me was morality/football in general and a period of short term VS long term planning as clubs, who have the finances for short term options.Windows of opportunity to short term change status, were taken very effectively by City and Chelsea. City are definitely planning long term too….
Spurs and Liverpool for me took the long term 3-5 year option. This is shown by net spend, developing players and selling at a premium to repeat the process with an ever improving squad… still encouraging the academy kids to come through.
My issue with Man U…was paying £26 mill a year in wages to one elder player as a short term fix. It undermines the clubs wage structure, creates a huge problem of unity and motivation. What happens when you try to move these players out? Are they worth more and who can afford the wages… a balloon ready to burst. If you think previous Man U managers left behind damaged legacies, what will 3 years of Mourinho leave behind?
How do you quickly fix the current and who are the spine of the motivated team?
Martial, Pogba, Sanchez? I think Van Gaal was a safer long term manager for many reasons of planning the future. For him the longer term legacy mattered.
Mourinho is all about himself today..Petulant narcissist is not just an act for the cameras..he treats his players the same way and will walk with a pocket full of money without a backwards glance and blame all on others..
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CM…
I can’t agree that a big squad doesn’t matter at the end of a season, competing against teams who are fighting on various fronts and down to bare bones…2Nd last year just like winning a Uefa Cup without playing any of Europe’s top teams allows a narcissist to posture but anyone who understands football could see what was happening through the smoke…Reality check_____________________________
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Mick
No one actually knows what Sanchez earns. According to these guys he is on £14m a year, that is far from £26m a year.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2018/01/17/football/1516206282_821073.amp.html
The high wage excuse was a narrative set out by City to the media who could not accept being rejected by him, just like recently they could not accept being rejected by Jorginho, so set out stories about him wanting to join City rather than Chelsea. You should read up how much that club pays for PR. They were more than happy to pay £60m for Sanchez a year ago during the summer transfer window. If the wages above are true, then United won have paid Sanchez £63m over a space of 4 years. If you also consider the £10m profit United made on Miki, that is £53m, a fair bit less than the fee City offered a year ago, which excludes wages
Thats the bit I do not understand, why is Sanchez a short term option for United, yet not when City were in for him. Especially when they had the likes of Sane and Sterling, now they bought Mahrez who turns 28 in 6 months which limits some of the players game time.
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I don’t think I have got anything mixed up because I explained who had the better experienced and older players. Jose has bought in Dalot(19), Pogba(23), Lukaku(24), Bailly(23), Lindelof(23), Fred(25), Mkhitaryan(27), Sanchez (29) Zlatan(35), Matic(29). That is 6 long term signings and 4 short term signings, with 2 already leaving.
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Fair points Nine.
I believe it is too soon to give up on Jose just yet. Jardim would be my favourite to replace him and I agree what you have said about him. I doubt the board will go for him though, they will aim for Conte imo.
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Just like to add to my post towards Mick-
If you look at how much Pep has paid for short term signings compared to Jose, it is alot more.
Walker(27)-50m
Mahrez(27)-60m
Bravo(33)- 17m
Nolito(29)- 13mThat totals up to £140m
Compare that to United under Jose-
Zlatan(35)- free
Miki(27)- 27m
Matic(29)- 40m
Sanchez(29)- freeThat totals up to 67m.
Going back to the original point I made, Jose can be a prize plum at times, but I don’t think you can blame him for this. This is all down to the board.
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Sanchez free! ??????
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Apologies for my error Jim.
Straight swap for Miki, who cost United 27m. Arsenal wanted 35m for Sanchez, that is a nice £8m profit.
If you have not paid a fee for him and did a straight swap for one your players, doesn’t that make him free ?
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Yep a bargain CM!
Dont get me wrong i do enjoy your input on here, I always have. but sometimes a struggle to take anything you say seriously. You comment on a tv programme you haven’t seen yet have read a tweet and then say apparently this and apparently that. Next thing you are trying to make it sound as if you paid bugger all for Sanchez ! Lol
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2018/01/17/football/1516206282_821073.amp.html
To be fair Jim I was only going by what someone said and also stated it could be incorrect. Have a look at what the article above states Sanchez is on. Some how £14m a year after 4 and half years does not add up to £180m. These massive figures were sent out by City because once again they could not accept a player rejecting them, most recently Jorginho.
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Also likewise in regards to your input. End of the day we both are passionate about our clubs and will always end up engaging in some fiery debates now and again.
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Do you fellas/ladies require an agent by any chance?Lol
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Sorry CM, your info is “horse.”
Manchester evening news/ Telegraph, which even the most eloberate conspiracies can’t both be controlled by Man City.
What you quoted are Sanchez wages AFTER he’s paid tax! So adding the 45% back onto your £14 millon a year wages and bingo! £26million a year…or £490,000 per week… swap value which is still an asset lost so £27 million?! Plus agents fee of how many million…plus Sanchez signing on fee..hey let’s call that a fiver?A that not what my company would see as a free signing and
B I’m expected to pay him £26 mill a year or he will sulk and play badlyyyy.CM your defense of Mourinho and buying old/expensive players to immediately win a trophy to flatter Mourinho, is about as robust as HIS expensively recruited CB’s! Anyone who thinks Maguire at £65 million is the solution needs sectioning!
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Didn’t Leicester want £80m for Maguire? Bonkers money.
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Mick-You know for sure all these things???
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Mick-
Many newspaper ran the story which was sent out by City. Just like they ran the story which they put out when Jorginho rejected them for Chelsea.
End of the day no-one knows what he earns, with the exception of the club and Sanchez himself. One minute he is on £26m a year, another story says 180m after 4 years, which 26m after 4 years does not even come near, unless you’re counting his bills, how much it costs to feed his dogs and so on. Another says 14m a year, clearly not stating before or after tax. Funny enough I read he was on 275k a week basic and he gets £115k on top for image rights as bonus. Something no other media outlet do with any other player, they just go by their basic wages.
Now using your logic and numbers here, City offered £60m for Sanchez last summer, just say he would have been on £275k a week excluding image rights obviously over a 4 year period. 60m + 53m is 113m. If your wage figures are true 26m X 4 is 104m. Funny enough there was little outcry when City offered 60m for a 29 old year old, along with big wages. No short term fix and so on. Like I said earlier City’s PR team were in full force when he rejected them, they don’t take rejection well. Ask Chelsea fans in regards to Jorginho. Ironically they went by the money theory. Considering Pep is on £20m a year, one of the top earners in managers, would he have joined City for half.
Everyone knows that this United side need a bit of experience in there. End of the day the old saying goes, you don’t win anything with kids, unless your Fergie. Pep proved that last season when he relied on a 28 year old right back which he paid £50m for, 33 year old defensive midfielder, 31 year old Silva and a 29 year old Aguero. These expensive defenders cost the same as what City paid for Laporte and 10m less than what they paid for Stones.
I am not dismissing your numbers, they could be true. But this is the media we are talking about. They do love their click baits and stir the hornets nest in order to get a reaction.
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Yes….
After extensive checking….
It’s definitely true!Anybody who thinks spending £65-
80 million on Maguire…needs sectioning!!_____________________________
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