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Brian Blue @ 4:06, completely agree with those sentiments.
I’m sure the opening post of this thread was more towards criticism on Jose’s football intelligence, his dynamics and whether or not he’s still the best fit for Man United.
And for the talk on who’s spent better, I would actually be critical towards my own club, because going into 14/15, Brendan Rodgers thought he could just throw money at it, but there were far too many buys to shoe-horn in the squad and hit the ground running.
It’s proved with Klopp, he’s improved players like Lallana and Firmino more than ever has become first class.
Equally, Pep has able to get more out of Sterling than his Predecessor, so it just to prove there are other elements involved to generating success.
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“other elements involved to generating success” that is what I mean NB. Everyone is to self centered on the money aspect. Money availabilty is here to stay around probably another 4/5 years bwefore the bubble burst or the world does really go to war. We, the fans, can do nothing about it, whoever has the money will invest where they think best, the fans will have nothing to do with it, waste of time arguing who has spent more or less, that will always be the case. Another anolgy would be City/Untitd/Liverpool etc spend millions more than Ason Villa, Leiceter Middlesborough etc…it is the same equation. Fans have a tendency to point out differences between the top four and that is unrealistic to the game as a whole. There is another side to the story
We got lucky in having a sensible owner but there will be more, the lure is very real in attracting more, some, however, will not be good investors Money should attract success but money does not guarantee success, particularly season on season. Next year, a clean slate for all. I believe Klopp is a good manager who can handle these situations but in a way suffers from the same problem Pep has…his style is defined…OK when you are winning and have a strong squad but running out of steam is a result that will happen to many, so squad strength and balance is more important than a few expensive players who may or may not fit. So , if Managers are so good why do they not see who will fit before they sign them?_____________________________
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Interesting observation today from a UTD fan on a different forum:
“When you take out the odd good game then thereβs not much left. Weβre going in to the summer with no established back four, needing major reinforcements in midfield and question marks over most of the attacking players. People can clutch at as many straws as they like. We simply are a long way off City. And instead of the manager improving it, he seems to be making it worse with his comments and attitude.We have one potentially top centre half who just missed 75% of the season through injury. The less said about the other centre halfβs the better. Our star midfielder looks like he is playing with his shoe laces tied together at times and could be gone in the summer. The other mainstay in there is no spring chicken. The star forward and highest paid player in English football is totally out of form and looks nowhere near rediscovering it. Our two young potential world class forwards cant get a game and are at odds with the manager.”
Mourinho took full credit for a title win, within 1 transfer window of inheriting Chelsea’s squad from Benitez. Unlike selective memories he was sacked after “losing the dressing room,” before the following Christmas!!!
So why if money doesn’t really matter to the success of your greatest manager of this generation, after 4 transfer windows and Β£300mill NET of Mourinho, surely he should need a modest spend to go to the next stage of PL & CL, if he’s this marvellous a manager. Or atleast tell me the spine of his team next season?? Starting with the goal keeper….
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“Mourinho took full credit for a title win, within 1 transfer window of inheriting Chelseaβs squad from Benitez.
You’re way way way off beam Mick,!
Firstly Mourinho didn’t inherit Benitez:s squad at Chelsea Benitez inherited a Chelsea squad built by others before him was only Interim Manager and was only in place for 6 months in which time he bought just one player who played for the first team Demba Ba.
Also Mourinho didn’t win the PL after immediately taking over from Benitez he won it in his second season back at Chelsea following 4 transfer windows probably the most important transfer window of which was the 2014 window when Mourinho bought Courtois back to the club and signed both Fabregas and Costa all three of whom were integral to Chelsea winning the PL title in 2015!
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Ed, with respect…I do not belueve City/Utd “risk” money in the way you suggest. City’s stance on Sanchez should tell you that Plus “No fans of City, Utd PSG should take the moral high ground” I think you have that wrong, it is usually a club that champions how little they spend
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NB…correct but its “swings and roundabouts” in different time era’s that is what makes the whole subject pointless. It cannot be defined by discussion. Pep will buy wonderful but one day he will buy somebody that does not fit the bill, I hope not, but it will happen, as it will with ALL managers. I have no doubt a lot of spending will take place this summer, who spens what on who, to me, is irelevant, what I want to see is a team playing together like we have seen this season and getting results to match. As a fan we cannot do anything about anything else, my own take in watching football is when the game finishes, no matter what the score…its history, and move on to the next game look to the future
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Brian. You’ve obviously appeased your conscience on your team hugely outspending others and having 22 top players. How noble now only to look forwards and regard spending power as largely irrelevant.
For the record, I can stomach it with PEP’s teams, because they consistently play successful entertaining football.. The wat he’s going, I think future history will look back on Pep as a more successful managership than Mourinho, aswell as a loved manager by all football fans and leading our childrens generation doing things the right way.Utd fans your spine of a team for next year???
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Brian, to be fair, I probably didn’t word it very well. My point was that both those clubs can afford for a Β£50/Β£60 mil player to not work out, whereas very few other clubs can. City were reportedly after Mahrez at around that price to cover for the injured Sane. There’s no way he would start for City when all are fit. City can do that. So can Utd. Most clubs can’t. If Mahrez wouldn’t have worked, similarly if Sanchez doesn’t work at Utd, we’re both in a position to move them on for whatever we can get and buy again.
Just out of interest Mick, I’m curious to hear who you think Utd should get in if you think Mourinho’s days are numbered? It’s a question I’ve asked numerous times and yet to hear a good answer
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I think Benitez or Pochettino would do an excellent job, but personally being proudly British (No vote in the referendum,) its time for the Dyche and Howe generation to be given the opportunities that Pardew and Allardyce continually fill. Otherwise we won’t have any British managers to speak of. 7th and 12th in the most competitive league on modest budgets is not to be sniffed at. Also, Stuart Kettlewell of course!
Frank Lampard appears to be an excellent future stock.Spine of next years Utd team?
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Hmm well if they’re the choices, I’ll pass on Mourinho leaving thanks! Benitez to Utd? You can’t know much about football rivalries to even suggest that. Pochettino is not leaving Spurs and I’m not convinced he’d be the right man for Utd anyway. In the big games, he’s often failed to deliver. CL second leg this season, big game at Chelsea when chasing Leicester for the league, this weekend just gone against City. He’ll have huge games where he’s expected to win every single week at Utd. I’m not convinced he’s able to work under that kind of pressure. The young British manager with promise? Done that already with Moyes. No thanks.
Spine of next year’s team? Am I going on what we have or including the players I hope we sign?
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BTW all the above on Poch is just my opinion. He’s clearly doing a very good job at Spurs!
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Eddy…. well, what can I say, if we’re going to pick specific games to define a managerial career, I’ll give you 300m spent and lose at home to a team already relegated… π
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Definitely missed my point Chucky! I’m saying that when faced with the biggest defining games of his career, Poch has fallen short for me. Now, that’s not to say he won’t massively improve there and prove me wrong but that’s my opinion so far. I’ll add the cup final to Chelsea where Spurs didn’t show up. My point is that those kind of games are where the pressure is on. That kind of pressure exists in every single game when you’re given the amount of money a club like Utd can spend. Like it or not, those kind of games ARE what define a manager’s career. Mourinho, like him or loathe him has a very good record in finals and big games.
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To stress, I’m not just picking out random selective games where his teams have underperformed. I’m pointing at all the career defining games his teams have, for me, underperformed in. I’m not even mentioning the struggles against the lower league sides in the cups this season as I honestly think he just wasn’t bothered about those games. He seems quite happy to sacrifice Cup games for league games at times
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Brian, thanks for the reply.
I completely agree.
Naturally there ups and downs. As fans we can sometimes get over excited or over critical, upset, and with me being me at times, erratic.
It’s because we care about our club. Pep sort of had to learn the hard way with the media when in reality, he needed time to digest in what he inherited, as with Jurgen Klopp.
You’re owners to me seem a bit more relaxed and patient to allow stability and continuity.
Some clubs will naturally be envious and notably what’s not been highlighted in these discussions is the level of service and loyalty a lot of your players have given to the club ala the Vincent Kompany, Sergio Aguero and David Silva.
They add a whole world of difference and bring out a culture of closeness and unity between the entire squad.
My sentiments would be to enjoy these good times in particular today being filled with warm spring temperatures and now a lovely evening to wind down and relax.
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Hmm Utd’s “chosen one” 5 years ago was indeed Moyes…Enough said
Benitez has consistently shown his quality and ability, more fool Utd fans. Man Utd are a perfect match for Mourinho’s moneyspending and ego.. That’s why things are shaping up so nicely for us all to watch 2018/19.
He’s established a regime where people are attracted by wage and realistically not a chance of winning the PL or CL with him. His revolving door will have ambitious quality escaping his ego/methods. They all recognise his star is fading quicker than Moyes’. Name me a Utd player from recent successful Utd history who think Utd are proceeding in a good way under Mourinho? He’s waged war with them all..Ok lets buy into your thinking as a Utd fan; you can probably afford to buy in more and more expensive players on higher and higher wages. Not all your squad have asked for the Β£300k+ a week, yet. Then buy the oppositions best (Erikson Β£100 mill, Neymar Β£300 mill etc etc.) Yes you’ll probably need an expensive International manager ,on a whopping wage, like…Van Gaal…. Your balloon is already massively inflated and Mourinho is pumping like mad. Martial, Pogba, Rashford and De Gea all considering jumping ship???
Your right, those manager names don’t fit the style of football, you have been used to since 2013..
Spine present and future why not! Then we get to see in 4 months…_____________________________
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Mick, as much as it seems to get to you you that we’re pretty shit at the moment, I honestly am not too concerned. There are 18 worse sides than us in the league at the moment. 1 is better.
Still, in my time as a Utd fan I’ve seen levels of success and a number of trophies that 99% of fans will never see. If we never win another trophy, that is just football.
You’re way more bothered about us only being second best than I will ever be. So we don’t play the prettiest football in the league? Ideal? No. Big deal? No. I’d much rather be where we are than the likes of Arsenal who are not even in the CL running any more, never mind the title race. Things can always be worse and being second is only ever a disaster when previous success deems it to be. When second is a huge achievement rather than a disastrous season, is when I’ll worry!
Spine this squad:
De Gea
Bailly Smalling
Pogba McTominay/Matic
LukakuNext season, leave that with me. Need to have a think of realistic targets!
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Dude, there was a smiley face… haven’t you learned anything? π
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Agree with ed about Poch. Linked with all these jobs when he hasnβt won anything
Lose to utd on sat and people will be saying itβs the same old spurs
He needs to win something. Doing a very good job but spurs have to make the next Step
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