Potter sacked

[Editor]

Nine, I think an appointment like Potter is only ever right if you’re prepared to be patient and ride out what will inevitably be a bumpy ride. Arsenal have shown the merits of riding out the tough times. That’s not to say giving a manager time is always going to work but the fact is this was the first big bump and they’ve hit the panic button. I don’t see what there is to gain from acting now. Chelsea aren’t going down and a new manager is unlikely to get CL football now anyway.

This problem is not unique to Chelsea but these top clubs are finding themselves in identity crises whereby clubs preach about long term plans and visions but are rarely willing to ride out any periods of struggle for fear of falling too far behind. Chelsea could do worse than avoiding all that long term talk and just embrace the model which has worked so well for them previously which is the ruthless but successful model of hiring and firing with regularity.

Boehly has already achieved a level of ruthlessness even Roman didn’t and that’s to have fired 2 managers in the same season.

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed, I always said I would give Potter to end of season but come on mate don’t pretend this is one bump in the road. I don’t believe for one second you would be backing ten hag if utd were in 11th on 38 points with Potters win rate.

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[Editor]

Whether I’d back him or not is irrelevant Lucky. My point is that Boehly came in with a vision to move the club on from the short term hiring and firing model (which was very successful as I keep stating) but has panicked at the first sign of trouble. Results have been bad for a while but you’re in the QF of the CL and have nothing at all to gain other than a slightly higher league position. You could argue a new manager might give you a bounce and win the CL against the odds but that’s the point. That kind of thinking is exactly what Boehly wanted to move the club away from. I think he deserved until the end of the season.

Fans views aren’t always right. Arsenal fans were #Artetaout for ages. That I wouldn’t have backed Potter is completely irrelevant in the point I’m making.

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[Editor]

This is exactly the point I’m making

This was supposed to be a brave new world for #CFC.

Yet the Boehly-Clearlake consortium has done something Roman Abramovich never did – sacking two managers in one season.

Despite all the promises of running things differently, Chelsea are back to square one.

📝 @SJohnsonSport

— The Athletic | Football (@TheAthleticFC) April 3, 2023

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed, I wanted to give patience more than anyone except probably boehly himself. Losing 2-0 to villa is not the first bump in the road at all we have seen regression rather than even the slightest bit of progression over 7 months. I am sure we were going to allow him to miss out on top 4, and that in itself would be patience given the financial requirements, but we are 11th on 38 points with 10 games to go.

Mistakes can be made mate, it would stupid to persist rather than pretend the mistake was not made at all.

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[Editor]

Mistakes can be made mate, it would stupid to persist rather than pretend the mistake was made at all.

It’s only stupid to persist if you know it will result in failure. You don’t. Boehly doesn’t. Nobody does. But, again, that’s exactly the point I’m making. Not being willing to ride it out is displaying the very ruthless, short term thinking Boehly was insistent was a thing of the past. It’s totally fine to admit that vision has been abandoned. Chelsea were hugely successful employing this short term thinking so I think they’d be silly to pretend they’ve moved on from it when they clearly haven’t.

My worry as a Chelsea fan would be that the unprecedented January spending we saw is unlikely going to be repeated this summer. In fact, much the opposite could happen where Chelsea need to balance the books. To then bring in a new manager with an entirely different philosophy without much wiggle room to shape the squad in his vision could be a concern. Particularly if they bring someone like Luis Enrique in who has a very set way of playing which requires a certain profile of player.

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[nine nine nine]

Chelsea were damned if they stuck with Potter and damned if they didn’t not many Clubs would have given Potter as long as Chelsea did if Chelsea stick with an interim Manager until the end of the season I can’t see much point in making the change now but maybe it’s about trying to get their ducks in some kind of line leading up to next season.

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[Luckydestiny]

The vision was to see gradual progression this season, not regression.

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed, I posted this on TT before he was sacked yesterday

” I believe our priorities between now and start of next season would be

1) Ensure we are on track to comply with FFP, the consequences of a breach of new FFP will be severe and to be avoided at all cost. Forget what happened with city, we will be done if we breach and done good.
2) While always working with the number 1 priority in mind we look to address the balance within the squad and greatly reduce numbers. This means offloading a hell of a lot of players and bringing in two or three to fill gaping holes in squad ie top class goal keeper and striker
3) upgrade the manager

If we can do 3 without sacrificing 1 or 2 then I am for it.

Until 1 and 2 are done we won’t benefit from the increased expectations of a proven elite manager, we will be in a state of continuing crisis and perceived underachieving.

I would prefer all 3, if we can’t do all 3 this is my order of priority.”

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed, my question is not irrelevant at all btw, regards if you would back ten hag with Potters record.

All these narrative driven arguments are doing is detaching us further from the reality of things.

So I ask you again, would you want utd to sack ten hag if he had taken utd to 11th on 38 points with 10 games to go? Or would you let the narrative around his initial appointment determine whether it’s right to sack him or not regardless of the results?

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[Editor]

If Utd were in the position Chelsea were in now, like you, I would have wanted my club to give him at least until the end of the season. But you’re missing my point. Arsenal fans wanted Arteta out many times. Fans aren’t always right. I’m not even saying sticking with him would have been the right thing to do. I’m suggesting their vision was a load of rubbish as they’ve abandoned it at the first sign of a bump in the road. Fans want instant success. Fans aren’t patient. The point of a long term vision is that it’s about maybe needing to resist that instant desire for success from fans and ride out the inevitable bumps in the road. All Chelsea have shown is that they’re every bit as short term focused as they were under Roman. There’s no shame in that. As I said, it’s very successful, one of the most successful models in recent history even. It’s absolutely fine to admit that and embrace it rather than pretending anything has changed.

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[Luckydestiny]

Ed you are missing the point as you clearly believe seeing some progress this season was NOT part of the vision.

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[Luckydestiny]

We all knew the first half of season would likely cost us top 4, I believe this was accounted for in the “vision” but regressing further since was surely not and you have to be confident you are on an upward trajectory

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[Luckydestiny]

And again Ed its not about instant success because the minimum that qualifies as success for chelsea fans is top 4, most of us would have allowed him to miss it. We wanted to see evidence of progress which arteta gave arsenal for example, we have got worse, not even the slightest progression

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[Editor]

Not at all. He’s been there 7 months. Had no pre season. Had loads of new players to integrate. Was he doing great? No he wasn’t and may well have never made a success of it. Again, though, that is short term thinking right there. My point isn’t whether or not I agree with it. In fact, I often envied Roman’s ruthlessness as my own club dallied over pulling the trigger on managers when it was clear they weren’t up to it.

My point that this so called new strategy of showing patience and long term thinking ala Arsenal was a load of rubbish. Again, absolutely no shame in admitting that and there is no shame in embracing what has been a successful model. Pretending they’re any more patient than under Roman is, frankly, laughable. But the same short termism has worked absolute wonders for then in the past so I say embrace it and don’t try to paint it up as something it’s not.

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We wanted to see evidence of progress which arteta gave arsenal for example, we have got worse, not even the slightest progression

You know Arsenal finished 8th twice, right? They finished 5th under Emery the season prior.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Conte’s available??

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[Luckydestiny]

They won the fa Cup and a lot of the fans saw evidence to trust the process, you are right some arsenal fans didn’t trust but many did because it was no where near as bad as chelsea under Potter and he didn’t inherit anywhere near the level of players Potter did either.

If your point is chelsea gave him a 5 year deal but are sacking him after 7 months so have clearly abandoned that vision then fine it’s trivial and self evident.

My concern is whether we would do better with another manager or not and the longer the season has gone on the more convinced I have been that the answer to that is yes. To the point where I am not sure how he could have changed our minds in remaining 10 games.

We just want to see progress and our best players played in best positions, we are not demanding instant success as fans.

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[Editor]

That FA Cup win for Arsenal was a red herring imo. “Some Arsenal fans didn’t trust the process” is about as big an understatement as you’re likely to see. Arsenal fans were almost unanimously in favour of binning Arteta and rightly so. They were miles worse than Chelsea under Potter at various times under Arteta. Rock bottom of the league after losing their first 3 games in one season, for example. I wouldn’t have had much patience there to be honest. My point is that Boehly came in preaching about this being a new era of long term thinking/planning and has reverted to the Roman model at the first hurdle.

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[nine nine nine]

Just because the plan changed doesn’t mean that wasn’t the plan Ed people get married their plan wasn’t to get divorced but sometimes they do.

None of us know what goes on behind closed doors. The big impact was the turning of the crowd which has been happening for a while.

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