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Threw a player brought politics into sport. This is now getting silly, many examples can be put forward but this is now a news item and it should not be.. The FA themselves are totally inept in handling situations
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Sorry, the computer decided to put its own words in…..the first word should be. βWBAβ
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Anyway, to lighten the mood a little, Iβve had a similar problem at grass roots level as I had to get a single shirt without our sponsor on the front as one of the players is vegetarian and weβre sponsored by the local butcher….Pagan
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The reasons for FA taking a robust stance on this can be defined on what’s unravelled on here so far.
Pandora’s Box. Politics by DNA just causes a division where as football brings people together.
It gets more complicated too to have to regularly take into account advertising and sponsorship.
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Pagan, Terra Lliure hasn’t been active since 1995 mate The Catalan nationalist movement has always been largely peaceful. The only notable exception were the Terra Lliure group, which was active between 1978 and 1995. Its attacks only killed one person but that’s one too many, and it dissolved soon after a massive government crackdown. It never had the strength or violent determination of the Irish Republican Army, the Basque Country’s ETA or even the Quebec Liberation Front, not to mention the separatist fighters of Chechnya, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, South Sudan, Eritrea or Timor-Leste.
The current situation is purely political with the Catalan people merely asking for the right to vote on their Independence. I’m sure you saw some of the scenes denying them that.
In respect of Pep the good news is that Pep seemingly doesn’t want this situation to impact on Manchester City and is seemingly looking to comply with FA regulations whilst still maintaining his wearing of the yellow ribbon when and where he can which can include CL games.
Probably all best left there by myself so I’ll drop out of this discussion now. No harm meant Peace and love. Cheers All 999
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I agree that sport and politics should stay apart, but I also believe Pep has shown himself up here. His response did not make sense. He is protesting over the independence of Catalan and people who have been prisoned over it. If tomorrow the people asked for democracy or a change in the UAE. The treatment towards Catalans from the Spanish would look lenient in comparison to what the Abu Dhabi government would do. Would Pep speak out or wear a ribbon then, something tells me a Β£20m a year contract would keep him quiet. Something also tells me that Pep would have been told not to wear it because of the negative reaction towards the people who pay his wages and not because of the FA.
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But Pepe is from Catalonia. He isn’t just wearing the pin to support something that he feels is morally right. This is a subject that he will have grown up with and something that would be at the heart and soul of his culture, as that region has long been struggling for it’s own “identity”.
The suggestion that this ribbon is a show of support for Terra Lliure, is just laughable.
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Whether you agree with him wearing the ribbon or not surely it’s not too difficult to understand why he does. It’s a cause very close to his heart. It’s what human beings do. I support cancer charities as the disease has badly affected my family. Because I show my support for that doesn’t mean i automatically have to also show support for other issues. Clearly people looking for issues and sticks to try and beat him with. Bit sad really. ?
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Big J… the thread was meant to be more about whether sports and politics should mix (with a sub-plot suggesting Pepe might be a bit of a hypocrite for supporting different sides of a similair political fence). Was never meant to be a discussion whether Pepe views on Catalan were justified or not… seems a few of our dear cyber chums got a bit “lost”…
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“I have empathy with people who have no freedom. Anyone can be in that situation”
Pep on why he wears the ribbon.
Journalist mentions and asks-
“But Pep; you talk a lot about politics there. You talk a lot about freedom. You talk a lot about Sheik Mansour. Sheik Mansour is a leader in the UAR, which is criticised for not recognising freedoms and the right to protest. How do you reconcile that?”Pep replies-
“Every country decides the way (they) want to live for themselves. And if (they) decide to live (that way) themselves, it is what it is. I am in a country in which democracy is installed since years ago and I try to protect that situation”.
Supporting charities because of a severe illness is different to supporting a political cause about human rights and freedom for people and then turning a blind eye to the human right violations and war crimes towards one of the poorest countries in the world by the people who pay his wages. Like I said Pep has shown himself here. Catalan is very close to his heart, but this was bound to be brought up considering his hypocritical response.
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Ok Chucky, I have said my opinion on pep wearing the ribbon and sport in politics. Imo i dont think Pep is anymore than a hypocrite than 99% of the rest of us morally upstanding folk. But he is high profile and there to be shot at. You can support a good cause close to your heart and raise the profile of it. It doesn’t mean you don’t have sympathies with other issues. Plenty of us buy stuff from China who have equally appalling human rights issues. I don’t see many on here criticising that. Lol. Come on get your free Tibet ribbons out folks. Oh sorry thats different isnt it!!!
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Fair points cyber chum, although please note I grow my own computers on my allotment… π
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Chuky can I have one of your next seasons crop!!!!!!!
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I got apples… mainly apples… big ones, little ones… π
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We also buy from countries with poor records against the human race, even give them aid money which probably never gets to the people that need it Good point Jim, we all should look at ourselve before being critical of others. On the Pep issue, I just wonder in amazement at the FA, of all people, are making such an issue of this. Then again, as City know from experience, they think we are a cash cow for them
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I would agree all of us are ridiculously hypocritical, but I would also say none of us are in such a high-profile position and looked up to by many, nor are many of us taking millions of controversial petro-dollars….
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What is happening in China is horrific. Do I buy products from China? Well majority of my products are from south korea or japan. Whether they were are made in china is a different issue. I am not asking people to boycott going on holiday to the UAE or City games because it never works and effects people away from those regions and places.
If you are going to wear a ribbon and work for people who have poor inhuman records, then do not contradict yourself. Why can’t we talk about 1 and not the other or human rights within the world in general. Pep just said I care about freedom and human rights, but if you pay me Β£20m a year, then who gives a shit about human right and freedom. And if you want to use China as a example, what the City owners are doing in Yemen and their own region is alot worse in comparison and yes that is something close to my heart, just like what is happening in China and many other regions.
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I think ive made my point cm. I don’t agree with all you are trying to say but it’s all about different opinions. Jim
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Fair dos Jim. I guess this is why you should keep politics and football far apart.
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CM, I just don’t see your angle. Pepe works for a an Arab company but has a personal tie to the Catalan movement. How is that hypocritical? I used to work for Apple but I’ve always disagreed with how they use zero-hour contracts. Does that make me a hypocrite?
No it doesn’t.
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