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Threeps, I appreciate our difficulties with players being late back and that it’s not always easy finding the right players to bring in, but I’m just saying if there is not enough of a lift to the squad soon, I can see us wobbling a bit in the new season. Preseason, if it’s about anything, is about building confidence and momentum to take into the new season – so it’s just as much about results as it is performance for me. I’ve seen this kind of thing happen so often in the past where a poor start to the season follows a poor preseason. And to expect some of the tired returning players and/or a very young Brewster to provide the necessary lift to the squad strikes me as clinging to a lot of hope (though be delighted if Brewster can).
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“it’s pretty difficult to pick high level players that are willing to play second fiddle to our front three.”
This is why Klopp is not bringing in anyone. I mean, also he has said that the club can’t spend like they have, every year.
The main reason though is because he doesn’t want to. He likes to have a closely knit group and to not have unhappy players who know they are good enough to play.
I think Klopp would love the security 100x more than us but he chooses not to because the benefits are outweighed by the negatives. Would I like him to sign someone, yes, of course but I also fully trust him.
I am worried about the start of the season but like Threeps, I think a signing doesn’t fix this. Instead, I think someone like Brewster has the chance to make a serious break-through. What’s better for a good signing to work out of a youngster to come through into the first team and start kicking ass? I know what i prefer and Klopp thinks this is likely, seemingly.
As for this CB talk. I definitely don’t tyhink we need to go wasting money on a world class CB. Matip was brilliant last season and Gomez, when fit, is on the road to being world class. I just don’t get this kinda talk Nil, sorry man. If we want to sign a CB, it’s a replacement for Lovren, who is 5th choice.
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City have world class players on the bench. They make it work but I’d take an up and comimg young player like threeps suggested
It’s very naive of us to be going into the season not making the squad stronger and thinking we can challenge.
It’s all ifs and buts. If mane gets injured would people trust Origi to do his job for 3 months?Mane will have had two weeks rest
My concern is we won’t be ready. Salah hardly had a rest last season and was clearly struggling for a good few games last seasonMidfield is fine. Right full cover is fine with taa and Gomez.
We have injuries. We have a good few players missing from pre season and like Mikus, I think we are going to struggle for a few weeks
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I really hope brewster turns out to be the player people think he is.
I’ve only seen bits of him but klopp Rates him so let’s wait and see
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Our challenges faced is that we have players (our best players) that have a commitment to AFCON. I was trying to be thoughtful towards these guys in recovery and replenishing time.
I wouldn’t expect them to play 60 games regardless of whatever salaries they take home. Our fan and club expectations are high, plus knowing how much consistency is needed to raise standards and keep up with Man City.
Mak, I get where you’re coming from mate and I hope Gomez returns to partner Van Dijk. I must say though as far as commanding discipline goes in defence and leadership, I only see Van Dijk’s ilk in being able to demonstrate this.
Oz some weeks in my view was right. Even just one New Face in quality can help us; give us a new dimension.
I hope though allowing nature to take it’s course, we get off to the start we need and replicate a momentum like last season.
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City manage is Sean but Klopp doesn’t feel comfortable with large squads. Agreed regards Mane, or even Salah. Brewster might be like a new signing but we’d still be reasonably light up there alright.
Ultimately though, I trust that Klopp is correct and am happy to go into next season with whatever squad he has.
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Many good points on both sides lads & ultimately I think Klopp has earn’t the right to do what he likes in regards to transfers.
That said my opinion is this, c$ty will strengthen & considering I believe it was their superior depth that eventually wore us down last season I don’t see how we will overtake them this coming season. As for no top player wanting to come to be involved in rotations with our current players, c$ty seem to handle it ok & they have worldies on the bench so why couldn’t we give enough playing time considering the amount of games we are likely to play. I predicted c$ty to win it again & still fully expect it to happen, once again cups will be our best chance of winning something._____________________________
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Threeps, I fully trust klopp aswell mate. Let’s see what happens
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The thing is, City arn’t managing it that well with regards to keeping their players happy. Sane wants out due to lack of playing time as he is now considered an elite player. Jesus is reportedly not happy but not as determined to leave as Sane. Even Mahrez, who’d you think was aware of the situaion when he signed, is reportedly not entirely happy with the situation.
Maybe City and Pep in particular don’t mind having a bit of negativity within the team atmosphere, I’m guessing Klopp doe. Who knows maybe I’m wrong and we’ll buy a 60m elite player to play in the league cup or when one of Salah/Mane/Firmino need a rest but so far we haven’t or show any signs of doing so.
Even non-elite players like Brandt turned us down because of fear of playing time, and that was before we had Salah!
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3ps, what we can hope for in that scenario if they are fed up in being on the bench is that Pep and City loan them out. Lol, we’re going to need a lot of luck to win the Title, as Pickford and errors of that ilk can’t happen again 😀 🙂
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Liverpool ahould really look @ someone like Perisic @ Inter,a very hard working player who doesnt mind not playing on regular basis
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Oz : ” I believe it was their superior depth that eventually wore us down last season I don’t see how we will overtake them this coming season. ”
City’s superior depth is impossible to match and it goes without saying how much of a force it makes them, even when they pick up injuries. I’d be more in line with what threeps said regards the unhappy players and for me, it takes away from the kind of environment that Klopp likes to build.
With regards to your quote above though, I think the title came down to mentality, not squad depth. City were defending champions and we were the upstarts trying to knock on from last season’s CL final. Our league points were nothing to write home about the season before, so we were in new territory late on in the PL race.
City’s depth didn’t make us draw against Everton, Utd and 3 others. Leading and the mental hardships that come with it, did.We’re heading into a new season as European champions, having finished really well in the PL also. We made City win every damn game in the run in, or we had them. There’s no trophy for 2nd place but there is maturity and mental strength to gain from the experience.
Klopp is right now improving the team, regardless of whether anyone comes in. If he says he can continue to improve the side just by getting in many training sessions then I believe him. It’s going to be REALLY tough for us early on in the PL and although I think we may not start so well, I’m not ruling out the title. I say we’re in with as good a chance as City. 50 – 50.
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They managed to find a gear evertime they were under the coshh and they have previous experience in winning plus personnel who not only have been there for years but also within themselves been exceptional in quality.
As far as we go, we need to just ensure we finish the pre-season on a positive and that players are fit.
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In patches of moments, ok, but above all from my own personal POV as far as Sport goes, it’s been not particularly at all, a Good Summer.
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Mak we were 9 or so points ahead at one stage & I said there’s a long way to go, with players losing form & injuries all taking a toll over a full season. This is why I said their depth would ultimately prevail. I disagree they didn’t win it because of their depth, IMO that is what sets them aside from the rest, they have world class quality coming off the bench & lose very little when injuries etc start to play a part. I love the sentiment of getting young players to come through but when your competing with so much money I think your bashing your head against a brick wall trying to keep up let alone overtake them.
Anyhow, as usual time will tell, I hope I’m wrong but I think cups will once again be our best shot at winning something._____________________________
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Quite so Mak. As I said at the time, mentally speaking, Liverpool didn’t cope as well leading the league as they did when they were chasing. And no player epitomised that difference more so than Aguero. He scored in the big moments. That was the difference, and that was as much about mentality as quality. And interesting that what pulled us over the line last season to stay in the title race and win the CL was the big game scoring moments of Origi. Nobody saw that coming. Indeed Origi has arguably changed everything. No Origi – no finishing to within one point of City and no CL win, which would undoubtedly have put more pressure on Klopp, and we’d now have bought some attacking players in this transfer window. All this has put the club on a completely different footing for the plan of the new season ahead.
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