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Not sure I agree but no worries. Enough said on the topic for me chum
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I’m not even sure if I agree with it Sean. I’m just saying I can understand that angle. Xg is a pretty good way to gauge the quality of the chances created and it’s incredibly rare to have such a swing (2 goal difference to 7 goal difference) in xg vs actual score.
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It’s a hammering whichever way you put it though 😄
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No worries Ed…
Pity Neville had ducked out of mnf.
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Was seemingly not supposed to be on tonight Sean by the looks of it
Behave yourself! Never meant to be on as you well know you 🤡! I will be relaxing looking forward to watching you eulogise over a team you’ve killed for 2 months.. https://t.co/LNJgzupEIC
— Gary Neville (@GNev2) March 6, 2023
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To be honest I dont really get the whole xG thing. Take Liverpools recent beating from Madrid, I know we were actually good for about 20 minutes but we ended the game with a higher xG than Madrid despite being walloped.
Liverpool (2.09) 2-5 (1.66) Real Madrid
— The xG Philosophy (@xGPhilosophy) February 21, 2023
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Neville didn’t give as much credit and called it a freak result. I would say the only bit I agree with that sentiment is that you don’t lose to that type of scoreline every week.
It does devalue our win. What was Man City’s 6-1 at Old Trafford back in 2011? Many of their supporters exited Old Trafford at half-time. It’s not the first time too. The win at Old Trafford during Ole’s reign.
Anyway, Souness was irate. Maybe altogether, a cooling off was needed after commentating and naturally, it’s awful when your team has just lost. It ultimately goes back to the saying on not selecting pundits that have an affiliation with the teams involved on live broadcast!
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To be honest I dont really get the whole xG thing. Take Liverpools recent beating from Madrid, I know we were actually good for about 20 minutes but we ended the game with a higher xG than Madrid despite being walloped.
The scoreline certainly suggests they were walloped by Madrid but shots, shots on target, possession was all pretty even. Real Madrid scored 5 goals from 6 on target. They had no right to score at such a high conversion rate and from the quality of the chances they had. It’s not to say anyone’s interpretation of the game is incorrect if they feel Madrid actually hammered Liverpool. It’s just pointing out that the quality of chances each side created was pretty even. Liverpool took theirs (as they matched their XG). Real took more than theirs. They scored goals they had no right to score under normal circumstances.
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In fact, the xg from Villa 7-2 Liverpool was actually remarkably similar to Liverpool Utd. Both sides were hammered but you could argue in both cases that they were freak results because the winning side just scored way more than could be expected from the chances created.
Aston Villa (3.76) 7-2 (1.62) Liverpool
— The xG Philosophy (@xGPhilosophy) October 4, 2020
Souness probably needs reminding that he blamed the length of the grass for the above defeat too, before he criticises Neville for not giving Liverpool enough credit.
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To be honest what a load of shite to be honest lol. Result is the result in any game. We got batters by Madrid and utd got battered Sunday. That’s what the history books etc will say.
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There’s no justification for such demolition, as with Real Madrid and Villa. On the Villa, game, I think the only argument was I believe at the time we lost Van Dijk and we played in front of no supporters.
Our loss also to Real Madrid accentuated what we’ve been about all season not being able to sustain a whole 90 minutes. That’s vivid. None of the other internet platforms no matter how scientific or tutorial they get are as good as supporters who watch their club week in week out, year after year.
United had just won a cup and were unbeaten in 11 matches. It’s not as if they were struggling for consistency.
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Sean, I realise what I am writing might look like I’m trying to downplay the result or call it lucky in some way. It absolutely wasn’t lucky and there’s no getting away from the fact that we were hammered. Xg and the like is here to stay though and the quality of chances in the game shouldn’t have resulted in a 7-0 result. I’m merely trying to take heart from the fact that the result looks worse than it is as it’s all I’ve left to hold onto. Just as the Liverpool-Madrid game wasn’t a 2-5 game. I know a lot don’t bother with all these new stats and that’s fine. As you say, the history books will always say 7-0 no matter what.
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“There’s no justification for the Villa result…apart from the fact we lost Van Dijk and there were no supporters…” you’re worse than me Nil 😄
P.s. he played
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Forget stats, football is a game ultimately won by the team who make the fewest mistakes. I think it’s as simple as that.
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My boss at work is always banging on about XG and all that… personally I’m with Waspy, only one stat that really counts… 🙂
Sure, I tend to look at the overall performance as a bit of a form guide, but it’s all about the goals baby!
(I mean, us Cocks weren’t that bad agasint Wolves Saturday, just didn’t take our chances… when Cost was injured in the first half and there was a long stoppage, my TV was flashing up some game stats and at 25th minute mark it was 65% possession and 8 attempts vs 0 from Wolves… we’ve certainly played worse this year for sure!)
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Haha, I’m trying to find you a sticky plaster Ed 😛 😉
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Lol, I don’t even know what XG is 🙂 I found out about Tifo I think a couple of years ago. I can’t keep up, clearly! 😀 Don’t even get me started on Tik-Tok!
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I think I’m being misinterpreted here. By saying “the only thing that matters is the goals.” Well yes, that’s pretty damn obvious. Still, do you think managers analyse games and go “right lads,7-0. Moving on…”? What would bethe point of punditry if goals were the only thing we cared about? By saying “that’s not a 7-0 game”, it seems to be interpreted as me saying we were unlucky. We deserved everything we got. There, I’ve said it again 😄. But it’s till incredibly rare to have such a high conversion rate and all I’m saying is that, psychologically, Utd can take heart from the fact the stats suggest it was a game where we underperformed in terms of chance conversion and Liverpool massively overperformed.
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But by the same token, we all watched the game, and XG doesn’t mean a thing when we all saw YooUtd completely lose their heads in the 2nd half… sure, some of Pool’s goals were down to excellent finishing, but that was the worst YooUtd performance over 90 minutes we’ve all seen for quite a while… half decent in patches… and very small patches at that…
Not going to get into all they cyber-hype that YooUtd have been recieving lately as I totally agree with Wengers “we’ve all got the prettiest baby at home” comment from yesteryear, but I still think YooUtd’s recent inpressive run had an awful lot to do with Rashford’s recent purple patch… once that dry’s up I think they could very well get sucked in the the TOP4 battle.
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Ed, usually that’s the regular pattern. Everyone has a bad day now and then or in context of football, once in while humiliation.
The key thing for me out of that taking away the appalling behaviour of Bruno Fernandes was the Sportsmanship from the United players which was refreshing congratulation Liverpool and shaking hands.
Apparently, Ten-Hag kept the players silent and waiting in their dressing room for a while, whilst the celebrations were going on.
The defeat isn’t of something new, but in today’s day, there’s excessive post-mortems as to what and why it happening and perhaps more damaging reading or looking into something that may just be a person’s imagination running away with them.
The players lost focus once the goals were going in. In hindsight, that should have been Ten-Hags drive of leadership to take the necessary action and reorganize the team. He essentially just stood there with his arms folded.
The win for what it’s worth from an LFC perspective doesn’t make up for all our shortcomings so far, but as a positive can be used as a springboard to push on, though we ourselves have tough matches coming up in succession, away from home.
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