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Watching as a neutral, I thought it was a good game. I can admire good defensive work, after all WBA did a great job on us, however, I think in the longer term it is not sustainable, mostly through change of personnel and injury etc. Liverpool deserved the win for the attacking efforts they put in and while not hitting the heights of previous season found a way. That is the sign of a good team and management/. It was a case of Klopp knew how Spurs would play and Jose knew how Liverpool would play. There was a winner. Spurs will do well this season but we will see how things develop over the Christmas period. Really good Premier at the moment but I expect changes and movement soon
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Shiney ozil is not the answer when he did play at the end of last year he was crap
No idea what the answer is if Iβm honest we are paying high prices now for a shocking transfer system over many years and no more wenger to pull us out of the shit
Not to unlike United and fergie
Hope we turn it around but only way I can see that is lots of January activity and canβt see that happening with current issues_____________________________
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Agree Brian. Iβm enjoying the premier league tvis season. Fans are still sorely missed but thereβs been some great games.
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How are things on the job front Steveo? Good to see you back posting anyway!
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Been gainfully employed for 3 months now thanks Ed made it by the skin of me teeth snd been quite busy
My teams not helping me keep the interest tho π€£_____________________________
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A good discussion there, I think both sides have a good overall position, I side slightly with Sean. Teams have shown that we can be got at and in a alarming manner at times. Fulham and Villa didnt just get at us a bit, they absolutely dominated us. As for Jose, well he just doesnt do open engaging football and you cant fault his idea that they would get us on the counter. Is till dont think the game was as close as you lads, our finishing was very poor but of course we caught them off guard at the end and that more than anything anyone else has talked about is the mark of a title challenging side. I’d go further and say title winners but I wouldnt want people to think I was presuming anything for this season.
How good is Kane though? I didnt realise he had so much else to his game until recently enough. he’s got it all. I cant imagine our attack if we had him. That’s dream-team stuff though obviously. A part of me is wondering why I got rid of him from my FPL side but of course there were reasons beyond single player transfers.
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Interestingly Mak, the team you least wanted to get in the next round of the CL was the most defensive side in the competition, Atletico. They’ve shown in the past that just going toe to toe with Liverpool at Anfield is not the only way to triumph.
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I realise what Sean is saying though regarding the CBs but Fabinho is a very capable player there. The fact he’s 6th choice or whatever just shows how strong Liverpool’s squad is. He was one of the highest rated players on the pitch last night. Don’t know anything about the other CB.
None of it matters as Liverpool won the game but Mourinho has always set up like that in the big away games and it’s served him pretty well through his career.
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Our squad has shown to be more resilient than City’s last season, when suffering a similar fate and although we have some players back from recent injuries, areas like the CB’s are at breaking point. The other CB is Rhy Williams and that was his PL debut. I don’t think he would be getting anywhere near the team had we not been desperate and it showed at times, although I think he played well enough.
Fabinho is a brilliant CB alright. Sean has a point about him being exploitable with a good counter attack and our high line but his reading of the game is at a very high level. How often doe he just shut people down, stopping them in their tracks. So it is great to have him as a 5th choice but we miss him in midfield. If nothing else, he could have been used to give Gini and Hendo more rest when required but they just have to tough it out and TBH they are doing a brilliant job of it.
That’s a good point about Atletico alright Ed. They kinda nullified us when we played them and I have no desire to watch that again. I’m not a football coach or analyst but it didnt seem too similar in style as to what Spurs did. I think Atletico pressed pretty intensely high up? I cant remember TBH, so I hope Im not embarrassing myself too much π
I think part of what Sean is experiencing though is a twinge of fear, knowing how vulnerable Liverpool have been in 2 matches so far. I watched them also and I felt like both teams could score at any moment. I had full confidence in the oppositions attack, if that makes sense. Surely our oppositions mangers also watched these matches. If they did, would they not think “holy ****, they are scrambling to defend these waves of attack!”. I know I would be. Does this warrant changing your core system? That’s the argument and both sides have merit.
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Football is a game won by the team that makes the fewest mistakes. Itβs also a game of moments and psychology. Jose uses these facts and plays the percentages that very often pay off for him as Ed says. Similarly, Big Sam reaps similar rewards by adopting these methods. These managers may not be everyoneβs cup of tea, but they always deliver. Thatβs why theyβre always sought after.
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If there was a choice in choosing a competitor and brand of football, I’d go for Pep and City. Good Sport too.
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Heβs 4th choice Ed and is a midfielder and not a centre back. We didnβt replace Lovren so it was always going to be a risk
The other lad was 19 making his pl debut. A year ago he was on loan at kidiminster
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Nike…although I have said I like to watch a good defensive performance, I would not like it so much if that was the way my team played on a regular basis, in my view it may occasionally win something but the prizes will always go to the attacking teams. I cannot remember City having a defensive team in my years of watching them, I think this is similar to just a few other teams as well. I think this season will start to level out soon but think it will be tighter at the top 4 position. Just an opinion
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Ah right you are Sean, with Lovren gone he’s 4th choice. I knew 5th sounded a little cosy π
and ya Nil, I have no love for City but as you know, I have massive respect for Pep. He can be cranky sometimes but so can Klopp, in the end of the day though they are both top top guys and their teams play amazing football.
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I didnt mind the defensive style during Rafa’s early years but for him it was a matter of necessity. In the latter seasons when we had a really good team, the style we played was a lot more progressive. Maybe there’s an argument that had Rafa stuck to his guns, with the team he eventually assembled, maybe it would have been good enough to Jose the title? We werent far away as it was but that winning run by Utd at the end was just better than ours π I still remember the banter in work at the time. That was a good season.
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Yet thereβs an argument at the moment to say Fabinho is the 2nd best CB at the club.
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Mav, I’m torn between where we are in the league and the shite football we are playing. I reckon Sean has it right, Liverpool can be got at, Villa/Fulham, but Jose either doesn’t rate his team enough playing that way ,or he’s a boring fucker who enjoys watching boring fucking football………………
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You know Mikus, dont you dare ask that question! π
You all know I have considered Gomez to be the 2nd best and ive felt this ever since he was starting there for us pretty much. Then he gets injured and Matip plays a brilliant half season, helping us to the CL final. Matip gets injured and Gomez comes back and does a great job for a while, then dips off. before he got injured he was honestly poor and it became hard to defend my original position.
Matip comes in and is again, brilliant. then Fabinho gives it a go and instantly looks like he’s been playing there for 8 years. Peak Gomez is easy to forget, given the dips or injuries, the same could be argued for Matip in a slightly different way…
But that question, how do you answer it when Matip and Gomez both have these HUGE issues that impact their usefulness to us? You’re dead right, Fabinho is absolutely in the conversation but Im going to say that right at this very moment, I would probably go for Matip and that will change for sure in time but if he could shake his injury problems, there would be no getting him out of the team.
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Jose went that way because it is the way that he won several PL titles, it very often works and it very nearly did. Where are Spurs? a bloody good team playing ma brand of football that makes them hard to beat. it might not be great on the eye but watching Son and Kane counter-attack isnt the worst thing going.
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Brian, from an LFC point of view when Rafa came into Managing us, he implemented a 4-2-3-1. Our defense at the time was a shambles. It needed discipline. I understand different perspectives and logic in being to achieve Results.
Sure, it’s not a crime, but for me, the style for example Tony Pulis implemented with Stoke, I just didn’t take to it. For me it was anti-football, trying to run the clock down, and basically capitalize against the run of play or through some form of a set piece.
I can understand to a degree the siege Mentality that Jose tries to instill in his players to make them more competitively ruthless, but that doesn’t away come across in good spirits.
I’d probably wouldn’t change the way I’d be thinking now even if I was a Neutral as I’d want the game to be channeled in a Positive Way.
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