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There’s some corkers in this list for anybody who’s as bored as I am!
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There’s always more than one way to win a match. Some of the most exciting football to me is a well executed counter attack.
At the top of the league we have 3 very different managers with 3 very different but distinctive styles. Makes for a fascinating race in my opinion.
I see the managers personal traits closely resemble the playing style he instills on his team. Pep/City are suave and sofisticated, Klopp/Liverpool are manic and exciting, Tuchel/Chelsea are precise and calculating. Ole/Utd? Nice, inoffensive but a little bit confused 🤣
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What annoys me threeps, not aimed at you though, is the blatant and obtuse disrespect chelsea get.
For example 10 games played, 26 for and 3 against. Objectively that means they are very good offensively as much as defensively, yet many, not just Ed, brand tuchel and Chelsea as simply defensive.
Fergie’s highest scoring teams would concede half the goals they concede and a utd team with 26 for and 13 against would be lauded over this chelsea, its mental!
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But Lucky, the fact that you get annoyed that Chelsea are seen (by some) as a defensive side is nobody’s issue but yours. You’re attaching a negative connotation to it, not me. You yourself said Conte’s second season and some of Tuchel’s football has been like pulling teeth so you’ve said pretty much the same yourself. I don’t see being a defensive side as being a bad thing. Ask Liverpool fans if they enjoyed the Rafa years and they’ll talk enthusiastically about the trophies but Rafa plays a pretty dull style of football. They weren’t great to watch for the neutral.
I’d love Utd to as defensively sound as Chelsea. I loved that Ferguson could mix it up, too. I loved how he man marked Pirlo with Park. Completely anti-football thing to do but, for me, that’s what football is about. Differing styles and tactics.
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If it makes you feel better, Neploean, I think Chelski very offensive… 🙂
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No Ed, what is annoying is that it is inaccurate,
As for the pulling teeth, when chelsea played 532 under conte in second season it was awful, the 343 was amazing and won 30 games and title,
better than any fergie team over 38 games. it was not defensive.Similarly the only games I have not enjoyed under tuchel, we have played 532, the 343 been fantastic.
To call a team that scored 26 in 10 and only conceded 3 defensive is an obtuse and inaccurate assessment. However you are as entitled to that opinion as I am to refute it.
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To be clear Ed I am not requesting that you not annoy me 😀 that would be simple and if I couldn’t handle being annoyed would never spend a second on here or TT 😉
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You don’t win Champions Leagues without you can both defend and attack. 26 goals and 3 against in the PL this season tells its own story.
Football wise being strong defensively is as important as being strong offensively.
If people want to label Chelsea a defensive team that’s up to them everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Lucky I think the goals for for Chelsea is massively distorted by the Norwich win. Only City scored more than Utd last season but that doesn’t mean we were the second most attacking side in the league. Defensive sides, IMO, don’t necessarily score fewer goals than others. IMO Chelsea under Tuchel set up to primarily not concede. They happen to be good at the other side too, but it’s built on a defence-first foundation. Absolutely nothing wrong with that IMO whether you think that view is inaccurate or not.
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I’d say Tuchel’s side is coached more not to make mistakes, which is the key aspect of winning games. As I’ve said before Liverpool under Klopp when we won the title weren’t great to watch because it was all about keeping possession and ensuring mistakes were minimised. Now Liverpool are better to watch but are more open and making mistakes. In that sense, winning can often be boring no matter who the coach is.
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Shall we take the 5 goals Liverpool scored v Watford off too Ed.😊
Even if you converted the Norwich win from a 7 nil win to a 1 nil one Chelsea would still be joint second top scorers in the PL.
You can only beat whose in front of you nobody else has put 7 past Norwich and it was achieved without a full front three too and only City have come close by scoring 5 against Norwich.
I’m not sure how a discussion re the Manchester Derby has ended in a dissection of Chelsea but Kay Sera Sera.
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Of course not Nine. I just mean that this early in the season goals scored can be misleading as a single result can massively distort things. Utd’s goals scored last season were massively distorted by some freakish big wins,such as the 9-0 hammering of Southampton and the annual battering of Leeds. Generally speaking we weren’t big scorers despite only City scoring more, if that makes sense. I think similar can be said about Chelsea this season. Again, only my opinion though.
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Be happy when we’ve got all of Pulasic, Lukaku and Werner back playing regularly Ed but Tuchel has done well imo in their absence by adapting his tactics to get goals from other areas including the wing backs. Reece James scored 2 goals v Newcastle that any striker would have been proud of.
Pulasic got some minutes yesterday and should have scored but understandably with only one game all season he’s a little rusty hopefully both Werner and Lukaku will be back after the international break on the positive side Hudson Odoi has looked promising ( lovely assist yesterday) and even Ziyech who was beginning to look like a lost cause has begun to show a bit of form.
And next season we could have Connor Gallagher back another one of our own.😊
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Ed, take the Norwich win out of it, it is still 19 goals in 9 games which is 2.11 per game
Sir almighty Alex sodding Ferguson averaged 2.08 goals per game in the 22 seasons since his first title 😀 (although if you chose to discount his irregularly high wins I am sure that average would shrink too 😉 )
https://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufcstats-SAFleaguestats.htm
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Lucky, I think you’ve missed my point 😁. I’m not saying let’s not count that win as it was such a freak result. I’m suggesting that looking at things like goals scored totals, goals per game etc after 10 or so games (especially compared to a goals per game over 22 seasons!) is always going to be misleading as a single freak result can massively distort averages.
There’s really no need to get so defensive (see what I did there?) 😉 about something which I think is a positive and was I no way meant as anything negative. Pull out whatever stats you want for these 10 games but you won’t find many neutrals who prefer watching Chelsea to City or Liverpool. Does that matter? Not really
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No it doesn’t matter Ed but you created footydebate.com, I am debating footy with ya.
My point is the only reason you would call someone like tuchel defensive but not fergie is that tuchels chelsea seem to concede far less goals per game. That doesn’t make him or chelsea defensive, it makes them BETTER defensively. You said fergie would “mix it up”, well so can chelsea, now and under conte or Jose. I just think it’s unfair to focus on the defensive strength when all our best teams have been able to score plenty of goals too.
Like nine said call chelsea defensive all you want its no crime lol, I am simply debating that on footydebate.com 😀
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Besides, worth noting that Chelsea are 5th when it comes to shots per game. Obviously goals are the only important metric as far as points go but shots per game are IMO a more accurate reflection of attacking intent compared to goals.
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Ed, even I enjoy watching City and Liverpool.
Used to enjoy watching United in their pomp under SAF too.
Re shots per game Chelsea have the second highest on target though Ed.
And no Pulasic from the first game of the season.😊
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Tell you what, I wouldn’t mind Liverpool being as ‘defensive’ as Chelsea this season! I think Chelsea have a superb side and a great manager, and are a fair shout for any or all of the major honours this season. Could do with not relying on their defenders to score all their goals though. And even that stat suggests that Chelsea aren’t a defensive side. In a defensive side, defenders defend primarily, and yet Chelsea defenders have 12 (?) goals between them already this season.
Anyway that’s my two pennyworth – off to Anfield now, where my guess I will be watching a ‘proper’ defensive side!
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More than happy to debate it Lucky. I love a good debate 🙂
Like nine said call chelsea defensive all you want its no crime lol, I am simply debating that on footydebate.com
I don’t really get this at all. Of course it’s not a crime. I’ve said loads of times it’s not meant in a negative way. It’s a shame you took it that way. I think it’s a strength, not a negative.
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