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VvD the best CB in decades is a huge shout! As good as he’s been the last 18 months or so, he was what 26/27 when he joined Liverpool and had very few Netherlands caps in a poor Netherlands side. He was also happily plodding along at Southampton and there wasn’t really a mad rush to sign him from there. Very premature to start calling him the best CB in decades
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VvD the best CB in decades is a huge shout! As good as heโs been the last 18 months or so, he was what 26/27 when he joined Liverpool and had very few Netherlands caps in a poor Netherlands side. He was also happily plodding along at Southampton and there wasnโt really a mad rush to sign him from there. Very premature to start calling him the best CB in decades
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Vvd has been in the radar for years Ed.
Rodgers wanted to sign him for liveroool
In 2014. Liverpool and city wanted him. He was excellent for Southampton up until his injury which kept him out for 9 months. He was only back playing a few months when Liverpool signed himBut I totally agree. He needs a few more years to be proven as the best cb in the last decade. I would have had kompany/Rio and terry as the two best. Heโs probably our best signing in 30 yrs.
Vvd cost a lot of money. Many people laughed at it. The impact he has made had been totally unimaginable.
Heโs a proper leader. Heโs a Moaner. He gives out and thatโs what we need. Heโs as good as some midfielders on the ball. Heโs fast, he can head the ball and heโs a threat in the opposition box
For years we tried to play a high line from free kicks and in general play. It never worked as no one was organising when to push out. Now it works very well as he organises it. Itโs a very risky game to play but works 90% of the time
Heโs our most important player. Heโs an absolute beast but he needs a few more years to be called the best defender of the decade. People forget he was very good for Southampton and thatโs why we paid what we did.
Best defender in the pl ever for me is
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Completely agree with all that Sean. Fantastic signing.
I think he stands out now due to the dearth of top quality CBs. He’s almost from a bygone era. I don’t think he’d stand out quite as much had he been around with Rio, Terry, Cannavaro, Nesta, Stam, Campbell and probably a few more obvious ones I’m forgetting, but he definitely would be up there.
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Just to clarify Sean, I’m not suggesting he was a nobody until Liverpool signed him but he certainly wasn’t someone who’d long established his place in the national team, for example, which you’d expect him to maybe do by that age. Netherlands haven’t exactly been blessed with top CBs in the generation preceding VVD and De Ligt. There was a huge gap between them and the last top CBs from there.
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Ed, with all due respect, you can judge him on past form if you like, I go by peak or present. What CB has played to his standard over these past 18 months? Name anyone in history at their peak by all means.
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Sean, I just can’t disagree more regards to Rio. He was very good but he was never on this level. He had more years at a top top side that won loads of things, sure. Van Dijk wasn’t taken in by a top side until quite late on. I won’t punish him for that but for me there is no comparison between Rio and Van Dijk at their best. Terry for me was a step above Rio but if I still got to choose between himself and Van Dijk (and not just because of the style of football that we play), it wouldn’t be Terry.
I never get these comparisons. they are always halted by “oh, he hasnt been at this level for as long as X, so we can’t compare them”… look I’ll leave it there as I’ll only be wasting my time.
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Mak, I’m not judging him by past form at all. Currently, he’s playing at an incredible level. My point was in response to him being labelled the best CB of the last few decades. To have that kind of title, a player needs to have been at the absolute top of his game for a long time, such as the likes of Terry et al. Rashford, at 22, has more caps for his country than VVD does at 28. He’s been competing with the likes of Ron Vlaar for his country.
Again, absolutely incredible player but doesn’t yet have the sustained level of performance to be amongst the best of the last few decades IMO.
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I mean, if VVD has always been this good, why did he spend 5 years at Celtic & Southampton (combined) AND get very few International caps? Look at De Ligt who after 1 season at Ajax had every single top club scrambling for his signature. Varane had Real Madrid and United fighting over him after one good season in France. He’s got better with age, for sure. There may well come a time when he can be compared to Rio, Terry, Kompany etc but IMO he needs to stay at this level for a number of years now
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Rio and VVD cannot be compared,Rio @ United had Vidic,VVD has got Lovren.But Rio did it @ the top for a few good years,VVD has only done it for a year or so.
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How in the name of UEFA did Mahrez finish 10th in the Balloon DโOr?
Absolute joke the whole thing Where the fook was Phil Jones? And what nabout Fellaini ffs?
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It’s only a ribbon award – chillax! ๐ ๐
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Calling VVD the best defender in decades is crazy,the man has been brilliant the past,what,12-18 mnths? He has got 10 yrs left @ the top to be in the same class as Canavaro,Nesta,Rio,Vidic,Terry.
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Personally,I would have given it to S.Mane,but what do I know!
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Ed, perhaps I got a bit over giddy in saying the best in decades but I do think the *level* he has been at and the *attributes* he currently has are matched by very, very few. Also the influence he has had has been incredible. The Ballon DโOr should be judged purely on the last 12 months and I think it unfair to overlook him for Messi, who is everybodyโs first thought but nobody thinks deeper after that and the actual season he had. Funny thing is, Iโd argue Messi won on previous years reputations and Van Dijk didnโt because he is reasonably new on the block – and that is unfair I think in light of what the award should be based on. Thatโs really the point I sought to make last night.
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Banjo, genuinely wasnโt trying to sound bitter regarding the voting system but such a system does show its drawbacks for the reasons I gave.
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to be fair you only have to look at the stats provided for Messi in the LAST YEAR alone to see he deserved the prize,,,,VVD in second is about right IMHO really dont see what the continued issue is really…oh wait its pool fans about a pool player being unfairly treated by the big bad world of football ๐
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Ed, plenty of amazing players are our-shadowed by poor leagues, not being utilized correctly etc.
Look at Andy Robertson, just a few years ago he was getting paid peanuts to play for a nothing team. Havent to Hull and did well enough to get on Liverpool’s radar but who else went in for him? Nobody. So, what happens if Liverpool don’t spot him? He’s still being under utilized at Hull, or somewhere else where the manager doesn’t see just how good he could be if played a certain way.
The only difference between him being a name that nobody has heard of and him being the best left back in the world, comes directly down to 1 top team spotting and then utilizing him correctly, EXPOSING his talents, not just handing him the ability.
Van Dijk was always special, we just found out late because spotting talent is a damn tough job sometimes, especially in rubbish leagues like Scotland. AS for him not being wanted whilst at Southampton. well he was. It didn’t take 7-8 years either.
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Steveo, at it again… can we have an opinion about anything without you doing this? It’s not our fault your side are terrible right now. This “Liverpool are doing great, so you MUST be happy about everything, or you’re gonna hear it from me in a really tiringly trolly manner” is getting old.
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