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Nine I’m talking about klopps net siren since he joined mate.4 windows
I read it somewhere could be wrong though
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When you go down with 10 men, you need leaders on the pitch, starting with the captain. Where were they yesterday? Where was Henderson? We shouldn’t keep harking back to “when Stevie was captain”, but would we have conceded 5 with him as captain?
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Sean, Liverpool still need a quality keeper and a quality centre back imo mate those two positioned strengthened plus Keita would turn them into genuine title challengers imo.
According the stats I’ve it’s £80m in, excluding Solanke and £35m out in this summers window so circa £45m spent plus the Solanke fee which will probably be £5m or more will take the spend to circa £50m this window and circa plus £16m in credit last season.
I guess it depends on the brief from the owners though progress and compete for the PL title or achieve and try and maintain CL football on a low net spend?
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Leadership is absolutely vital in any team sport. A nominated Captain or a Club Captain should be providing that at his utmost.
You look at other professions from other industries out there and they have a Team Leader, a Supervisor or a Manager who has that presence, leads by example and is there to turn to when there are difficulties.
You need somebody hands on deck and able to react quickly to change or unfortunate circumstances.
Bar the odd trace of brilliance such as last season V Chelsea, what does Henderson actually offer us as a Captain? Ironically, I convinced myself or believed when he was out injured, we were missing him.
James Milner is a much more of a better example. Why is our manager seemingly afraid to drop certain players and not others? Why was Mignolet even reinstalled?
Aside footballing ability and competencies for their playing positions, we need footballers who can be vocal and not afraid to speak. We are missing that in Adam Lallana. In previous generations, players like Jan Molby and Ronnie Whelan were perceived more as figureheads and individuals a younger player could turn towards for guidance and support.
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It’s about getting cl football on a regular basis then looking to move on. Not sure how we are supposed to compete with Chelsea, city or Utd to be honest.
Chelsea are in the position they are money wise as they could afford to sell the likes of mata, kdb, lackau and many more top players. They use their money sensibly now but their massive spending over the years has helped them even today.
They get crazy money for their players which is great business
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Thing is, in today’s climate new managers generally need to deliver by season 2/3. As soon as a club’s stock is high, they need to strike whilst the iron is hot and bring in ‘life changing’ players. The longer Klopp goes without any tangible success, the more the pressure will mount and ultimately get to him. We’ve seen it time and time again with our previous managers who are mentally exhausted by the time the supposed 4/5 year plan is due to come to fruition. Last summer Chelsea snapped up Kante & Luiz, two players that had a huge impact on their success last season. We were close to bringing in our own Kante & Luiz in Keita & VVD this summer. We messed up on the latter and have secured the former but for next season – that’s all good and well, but it’s invited more pressure on Klopp to deliver with a somewhat limited squad that lacks any real leaders. We may still see success in the longer term, but we’ve certainly missed an opportunity this summer to reduce the pressure on us.
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Nutts when Stoke beat Liverpool 6-1 Gerrard was captain that day. His last ever game.
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Mikus @ 6:13, all sound and valid points made and completely agree.
If we take ourselves back to when we secured new ownership to present, as far as we go on the pitch, I’d say we classed as ‘Hybrid‘.
My reasoning for this: One on side, we play breath-taking football, score lots of goals, blow teams away etc etc, plus challenge for a PL Title and most recently be able to compete almost on par with the other so-called Big Boys in the transfer market, and then…….
The other side: Under the Spotlight: Old problems or problems we haven’t addressed resurface.
As far as commerce goes, we’re a healthily runned club with prospects, an increased fan base not to mention numerous sponsorship deals secured, it’s fantastic.
However:
We’ve been speaking about the defence since Kenny Dalglish brought in Sebastian Coates. This is dating as far back as 2011. We’ll soon be reaching 2018.
Bar Jamie Carragher, I’d be struggling to recollect any well-established make up of defensive unit, not to mention be able to highlight decent and disciplined individuals. Jose Enrique in my view had a decent first spell under Kenny, but from injuries and what have you under Brendan Rodgers, he was left frozen.
Daniel Agger in my view was a breath of fresh air and one of the best ever in a central defender, we ever had. Again with Brendan Rodgers, he fell out of favour.
From my experience of viewing, Agger and Carragher were probably the best combined central defenders during this period of time. I don’t think Martin Skrtel really fitted with either of these guys when it came to forming an understanding. This is why a lot of mistakes were made perhaps doing an injustice to Pepe Reina.
Accustomed in unique to our club under FSG and taking into account too the way modern football at Top Flight has evolved, we found ourselves with a number of Managerial changes in a relatively short space of time:
After Rafa:
Hodgson
Dalglish
Rodgers
KloppWhen continuous changes are made at the top as far as the management team goes, there are naturally changes and a lot of reshuffling – great if you can pull it off, but there is that amount of movement and risk-taking, not every evidently as far as we are concerned has fell into place for us.
A similar pattern took shape with Man United after SAF left: They’ve had:
Moyes
Ryan Giggs (very briefly)
Louis Van Gaaland now Jose Mourinho
Players don’t now whether they are coming or going when there is transition after transition after transition. Too many changes too consistently affects stability momentum negatively.
Though critical of approach and decision-making, I am behind Jurgen Klopp, and one more big Summer Window is needed to address the problematic areas, but come 2019 if we are holding these discussions on message boards, then something fundamentally is wrong and accountability has to lie beyond the Club Manager.
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It’s a fair point NB. In some ways you could argue the whole aim of trying to get us where we want to be is an impossible one. On one hand you need a long term continuity and stability there, on the other you have to build quickly in order to make yourself attractive to the best players. On the surface these two factors may seem to run counter to each other. But these would be my thoughts:
If I was in charge I’d do several things. I’d invest in not just the academy but the city itself, ploughing money into schools and facilities throughout the city and region – granted it wouldn’t be cheap – though look at some of the big money we’ve blown in the transfer window so easily. We should never underestimate the local ‘heart’ importance that a club needs. It may obviously have the added bonus of helping some of the more deprived areas. This would obviously be a long term strategy.
Secondly, I’d invest more in the scouts and recruitment department – targeting the Southampton scouts probably wouldn’t be a bad start 😉 I’d obviously avoid the debacle of a political style transfer committee, though I would set it up to try and promote as much dialogue between the scouts and manager as possible so that the manager (who had final say) was ultimately persuaded as opposed to forced to have a player landed on him. You’d build up a healthier and more productive relationship that way. I’d also ensure that as much due diligence was completed by the club as possible when weighing up whether to move for him – using both stats and old fashioned judgement. This would be more of a short – long term strategy.
The above two strategies would give the club a firmer, stronger foundation for the future and in some ways would take care of some of the short term problems regarding building as quickly as possible – imagine if Klopp had an array of great options every time he sought a player. (Granted who to blame is for not looking for alternative players in the window just gone is unknown – was Klopp happy with what he had or did the club not give him many options?) Now it might well be that the club is already doing some elements of all this and granted it can take time for some of this to develop. I am just very wary of not making the most of the hard work we keep doing getting say into the top 4 (like under Rodgers) but then not capitalising on it through poor transfers and ultimately falling back down the ladder. As mentioned in my first post above, such failures then put an added pressure on us – particularly the manager, that really sets us back. Until we fully resolve this, I think we’ll always struggle to get over that line we so want to cross.
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Im Spurs supporter for many ears now but I still watch all the big games whoever it may be, it takes one or two defining moments in game to decide the outcome, firstly Augero was not even marked for the first goal followed shortly by the sending off which was justified even though it was not intentional. So 2 hard knocks in a matter of a few moments against a classy team and you are bound to lose. On a different issue why did Liverpool go to so much trouble to bring in Chamberlain, I never rated him while he was at Arsenal.
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@Mike welcome to the site. It’ll be interesting to see how the Ox gets on there. I think he’ll be a decent addition to their squad which was severely lacking in depth. His development stalled at Arsenal but I sometimes wonder whether Arsenal are the problem there, rather than the player. How many young prospects have fulfilled their potential under Wenger within the last decade or so?
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Talksport are reporting that Liverpool are going to appeal the length of the ban Mane will get. Accidental or not the rules are clear no intent has to be shown if it is deemed a dangerous challenge by the ref. Bizarre that they want different rules applied to their club. Perhaps it should be increased as it was possibly the most dangerous challenge we will see for many a season. Flying both feet off the ground and studs first into someones face 5feet above the ground.
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Reckon that is risking it for biscuit, one of those mint Viscounts too…
Might be wrong, but I reckon the odds of me falling in a barrel of tits and coming out with a chicken and mushroom pie are better than Pool getting that ban down….
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Completely lost me in that lot Banjo lol. But I get the gist. Surely it has to be fake news. If you appeal and lose do the fa increase the ban if they think it was frivolous. Or have the FA stopped that malarkey. He would miss the United game then and we certainly don’t want that.
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I’m glad they’re appealing it – completely wrong in my view.
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Mane incident was not intentional but was the correct decision. C$ty were well up for the game & I don’t think the sending off changed the result, the score may not have been as bad but I think the result would’ve been the same. TAA looked like a deer in the headlights & Moreno & Klavan produced the usual LFC defender circuis. Matip is no innocent either, as good as he sometimes is he is far from the commanding CB Liverpool need to stop leaking like a sieve. He comes across as too polite & is nowhere near vocal enough to dominate. You start a game against a team like that with Klavan & Moreno in it, with no DM to protect them & you’re gunna get a slappin.
Liverpool seem to be a team that can blow you off the park with high intensity attack but if things don’t work out on that front the team looks clueless & has no plan B.
I do expect a top 4 challenge for LFC but I think it’ll be a lot like last season where it will go down to the wire. No team that concedes around 50 goals will be anywhere near a title challenge & that’s what will happen again this season at LFC._____________________________
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really not sure how liverpool had the audacity to appeal the length of the ban. pleased it wasnt overturned even though it messes up my fantasy team. if it had been it would set a precedent that any bad / dangerous challenge that isnt intentional should be reduced as well. i also cant stand all these comparisons with high boot challenges saying they should all be red cards. theres a massive difference between a high boot that catches someone (or even misses) and flying through the air and studding someone in the face with incredible force requiring them to be stretchered off whilst on oxygen!
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