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[Adlab]

PS WHEN you think of Hillsborough and the outcome of that. Then they do this. .. Look at the pictures it is not just one or two. There are dozens if not more. Liverpool fc through Klopps pre match comments have much to do with this. The more you see of this the more disgusted I am.
It must have had some effect on the players.
Disgusting.
Total lowlives.

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[Adlab]

Good post Makaveli

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[Anonymous]

First off, Hillsborough was not caused by hooliganism.

“Liverpool fc through Klopps pre match comments have much to do with this.”

I do not agree with this. Klopp was asking for the fans to get behind the team. He is not responsible for teaching people how to behave in society.

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[Anonymous]

For the record though, I do totally understand why people might be angry towards LFC and Liverpool fans in general over this but those complete arseholes do not represent me as a fan.

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[nine nine nine]

Mak, I got slaughtered on here for bringing this up as a potential problem a while back and it’s not the first time it’s been a problem. There were hundreds and hundreds involved in fact probably thousands although it was a minority responsible for what happened to the Coach.

The recording from inside the bus looked frightening with the constant thud of missiles hitting the Coach and it was done purposefully to intimidate the City players prior to the game and went way beyond what’s acceptable imo. I don’t blame Liverpool fans as a whole and we all have our idiots.

This sort of organised intimidation needs to be stamped out and it could have ended with a lot more than two Policemen injured and City having to secure another Coach to take them back to Manchester because that one was too damaged.

UEFA are investigating it all now and have been provided with the footage shot from inside the Coach and you would imagine at the very least Liverpool will be fined.

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[nine nine nine]

Sadly the above took the focus away a bit from what was a fine Liverpool performance.

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[Anonymous]

Nine, I remember. My only issue with what you said before was that it had happened before. I’ve no problem with the crowd being lined up a the buses come in and to boo the opposition.

I think the time that you have a problem with was when Liverpool were particularly celebratory and sang at the home bus as they came in. I don’t remember there being any hooligan-like behavior back then. I’m not saying it didnt happen but I guess what I’m asking you is if you have a problem with even the peaceful version of this type of thing?

Damn I didnt write that out well at all, hope you get what i’m saying.

But ya, the amount of things thrown at the bus tells us that it was 100+ people. It’s totally unacceptable to carry on like this. If those fans didnt throw anything though, I’d have no problem with it.

I do agree that it must be stamped out though because you can’t trust people to behave themselves in these types of situations, it seems.

As for what UEFA might do, I’m only praying that these COMPLETE AND UTTER B*****DS havent cost us an entire home tie. I think it would be harsh to force us to play behind closed doors if we were to make the semis but can anyone tell me for sure that this is not a possibility?

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[nine nine nine]

Mak, it was very hairy v Villareal too on a Video I saw .

In terms of punishment I guess you can’t rule anything out but given this is the first time Liverpool have been charged with anything like this by UEFA its probably not going to be much more than a fine and a warning re repeat behaviour.

Nothing wrong though imo with a bit of singing and a bit of booing but that’s always likely to get out of hand especially in a big crowd.

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[Anonymous]

Ah, I thought you were referring to the Rodgers title challenge where the fans greeted the team bus in what I felt was a really positive nature. For some reason I have Sunderland in mind when thinking about this, I could be wrong.

I don’t remember seeing much good or bad in the Villareal match but I’ll take your word for it that there were arseholes at it then too.

I see that UEFA have charged Liverpool on 4 counts. It won’t be reviewed until after the CL is concluded though, so any punishment will be imposed on the beginning of next season.

I wonder if we’ll hear a statement from John Henry though. This will reflect poorly on the clubs image and have an impact on sponsorship money if it isn’t cut out.

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[nine nine nine]

That’s a relief eh Mak.

Hopefully they take Liverpools CL place away next season and award it to Chelsea. 🙂

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[Adlab]

I note UEFA CLEARLY not taking it seriously as they are not looking at it until 31st May.
Whitewash and piddling fine. The more I look at this the worse it gets. Perhaps Jamie would approve of such behaviour. Is it in the Liverpool psyche I wonder? Maybe its a result lf generations of disadvantage? LFC is what they live for.? I really wonder.

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[Anonymous]

Adlab, don’t you think that’s a little out of order?

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[Adlab]

Why?
I do wonder what motivates people to do this.
Call it what you will. It was a riot. Why do they do it then? What is your explanation. Interested to hear.

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[Hightown hope]

Come on, Adlab, that is bang out of order! ALL right minded Liverpool fans condemn that behaviour last night without reservation. As I said in my post earlier it is disgusting behaviour, but to come out with your comment that it is a result of years of deprivation is pandering to the worst of stereotypes. You are far better than that.

I have the pleasure of living in Manchester (I love the city), but there are areas of equal and worse deprivation in Manchester as there are in Liverpool, and you know it, I’m sure. I’ve been attacked outside Old Trafford and Maine Road in the not too distant past, and guess what, deprivation and disadvantage wasn’t the first thought i had when searching for a reason for those scary attacks. People who behave like that, whoever they support, are dicks, full stop.

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[Hightown hope]

We know, even Pep knows, these fools don’t represent the overwhelming majority of Liverpool supporters.

Reflecting on the incident, Guardiola stated clearly that “Liverpool’s history is bigger than the four or five, or ten guys who did this.”

He’s right, out of a crowd of 54,000 people, just a handful went over the top. To focus on them is absurd.

The Spaniard is a class act though, a proper football man. He knows, and so do we, that football is nothing without us.

Now Pep is right, although probably not about the number of people who did go over the top admittedly, but football needs atmospheres like last night. As the same article that above came from said, the people who are hunched over their phones betting online during the game are the same ones complaining about how football grounds are now ‘libraries’

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[Anonymous]

Yes, I mean you’ve used this situation that involved no more than a few hundred people to take a shot at an entire city, which is uncalled for but nothing good will be achieved by mentioning Hillsborough in the same conversation either.

I get it though, you watch the videos and you get worked up about it. I would too and actually was when I saw it. I don’t want that shit associated with my club. I don’t want the press talking about some moronic thugs who don’t know how to behave in society. I am all for a sporting contest and that goes further than the players on the pitch. I want the media to talk about our amazing performance and result. I don’t think I’m alone or even in a minority here.

I’m not from Liverpool myself, so I could just have easily turned to some silly stereotype to explain the events but we have assholes just like them here in Cork also.

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[Adlab]

Listen. I hear what you say and I agree there are similar in all cities. But this doesnt happen at every game in every City.
Last night was orchestrated probably using twitter or facebook etc. But I have the same question. Why?
There were hundreds not just a few

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[Anonymous]

I never said there were just a few but you’re asking the question and the answer that you’ve come up with is offensive. Not to me but it will be to anyone here from Liverpool. there really is no need to be bringing up Hillsborough as if it’s somehow tied into the crowd trouble last night. it’s just inflammatory to be putting forward the notion that the reason that 100 people acted like savages is somehow down to past struggles that the city went through. You’re tarring everyone with the same brush.

You’re lashing out at innocent people by repeating an old stereotype. That’s not much better than the people who threw bottles at a bus TBH.

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[Adlab]

Ok Mak. No intention to offend and sorry if you think so.
But why did they do it in your opinion?

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[Brian blue]

The point is nobody wants to see scenes like last night. It was pre planned, the police knew, even offered route information but most of all, it was a massive step backwards initiated by hundreds of people. Can we expect more for other teams? It needs to be nipped in the bud or Liverpool f.c will be tarnished and I would not want that on them. On the football side, have no excuses for City performance,whatever the reason we did not have the same desire as in previous matches, however, after giving me a lot of pleasure over the season some games will happen like this. Hopefully not to frequent.

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