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I said i didn’t watch the game. this is something that i read from the media and a few Liverpool friends of mine. apologies if My post was out of order mate.
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chelsea.man, you also didnt read the thread yet still commented that the spurs mob wouldn’t condemn it, when they have.
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C-man… as my esteemed colleague Paxo has mentioned, us Spuds have quite rightly condemned Ali for his theatrics, and as for both penalties, there have been plenty of pundits who say the MIB posse got both calls correct. The bigger issue was simply the penalties were of a somewhat equal quality to the recent Hazard/Goonie pen and the Salah/Baggies pen, basically as soft as melted butter. In all four cases, the attacking player made a bit of a meal of it, exaggerated the contact that was made in all four cases, and forced the MIB to make a call.
Personally, I would like to see these type of incidents, where the contact is absolutely minimal and the player acts like a tart, the ref just waves play-on… but until that day happens (with a big IF!), I’ll take ’em given to us as they’ll be given against us.
As for the support of the “victims”? Come on cyber chum, any “victims” of these “soft” penalties are hardly going to be a source of unbiased opinions! 🙂
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Nine, you know I respect the bloody arse off you but Paxton is right when he says this : “I think people need to stop holding his hand and telling him how respected he is, because he isnt and doing this just makes him think what he’s doing is ok.”
It was almost your downfall that you constantly stuck up for Nil and don’t forget how quick he was to turn on you after all of it.
I’m happy to have him on the site, we’re all big boys and can defend ourselves but let’s also tell it like it is, Nil won’t ever change.
Big Jim : “As a neutral I thought they were both pens to be honest, but just. You don’t like them given against you but if they were your players fouled you would be shouting for a penalty. ”
This is kind of how I’ve settle down into it. it really irks me to admit that either are a penalty but it is as you said it. I guess we just have to cut out the silly mistakes in future because other than that, I think we did well against a really spirited Spurs side.
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Chuckles, if those two penalties had been given against Chelsea, immaterial if TV had proved otherwise that they weren’t, I wouldn’t have been upset by them as we got to see how they came to be given based on what both officials saw. Personally I think the last 10 mins of that game have shown us an alternative to VAR, which to me was faster and better than what we’ve so far seen from technology….Pagan
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whether people think the decisions were right or wrong it was refreshing to see actual communication between the officials. even if they get a decision wrong, i think if they explain themselves or people are aware as to why they made the decision i think its easier to accept because you can then see it from their point of view. at the moment they get one look but with multiple officials you get two different angles which can show it completely differently and provide two different opinions, which happened yesterday.
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mak – i know tribalism can take over but i enjoyed debating it with you yesterday and look forward to many more.
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in hindsight i wouldve actually preferred alli’s was given as a penalty (and subsequently missed, obviously) so he’d be banned for two games. get lamela or moura in and prove we dont need him. if we get an offer of £60m plus for him i hope he goes. hes not worth that much but replacing him with someone who will get in our first team will probably cost that.
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People misunderstood the meaning of my post. i haven’t seen those two penalties to date. as i’m working until Saturday. but from what i have heard, one of the penalty was not a penalty. so if that was the case i was expecting a reaction. i was reading was, Nil being cornered. i do understand the frustrations with the Liverpool mob. they felt it shouldn’t have been given. if there is an agreement that it wasn’t a penalty. why is FA not looking in to it? or they fear the backlash from the big boys. it was easy to throw the book in to the West Ham and Everton lads.
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Chelsea.man, stop looking to get a rise from the Liverpool/Spurs lads, the FA won’t investigate as in the current climate where professional (and now park) footballers are affected by gravity in a way us mere mortals can’t possibly comprehend, they were nailed on penalties, couple that with the recorded conversation between the two officials which shows that they came to the only decision they could given what they saw there can be no comeback on them. TV replays have shown that both penalties were correctly given taking into account the extreme gravitational effect experienced in the Liverpool penalty area towards the end of the game.
The fact payers from all clubs go to ground theatrically at the slightest or no contact is another debate entirely….Pagan
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Just another great entertaining game of football, providing us with conflicting emotions, great goals. controversy, and talking points…or ranting points.
I love Nil’s rants – they are just so nonsensical and rambling garbage, they honestly make me laugh.
As for the game…in real time at the game, I thought the first pen was nailed on and the second was iffy…until I saw the highlights later in the evening (about the same time Nil was hitting the Babycham, I guess). Now I would say the second one was a definite pen, but how the first one is not offside is beyond me.. Whoever it was who passed the ball forward to Kane had him as part of that play. Lovren realised swung a boot at the ball, and as is Lovren’s wont, misses or at least only slices the ball. Now that touch is the thing that puts Kane onside as I understand it, but surely that’s part of the same phase of play. The passer of the ball wouldn’t have played if Kane hadn’t been there. I genuinely don’t understand the rule if Kane is not considered to be part of the phase of play. Anyway, the penalty was saved, so I guess it doesn’t matter. But if anyone can explain it, please do!
Having said all that, a draw was a fair result. 2 wonderful goals from Wanyama and Salah’s second, which in my world should have been the Messi-like winner we are talking about today.
Anyway, where’s the Cherry B?
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Hightown, I was led to believe that if the defending player deliberately plays the ball then it’s not offside. However, yet again it’s open to debate what that means, yes he deliberately took a swing at the ball but slices it, so didn’t deliberately play the ball towards his goal, but he did deliberately play it, had it gone through to the keeper, could the keeper have picked it as you’d be hard pushed to claim it was a back pass. Yet again we have a law open to interpretation…..Pagan
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Pagan – thanks for the reply. I don’t think there is any doubt that if Karius had picked it up from Lovren’s wild swing, it would not have been deemed a back pass, but my point is that should Kane not have been called offside at the point of Lovren’s swing because he was affecting play by being there? It really is open to interpretation any way you look at it, and even the ex-refs I’ve heard on the radio today haven’t uniformally agreed.
But it’s great – it’s an argument we can all have, and moan that we’ve been hard done to or we’ve been lucky, and for me another reason not to have VAR!
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The fact payers from all clubs go to ground theatrically at the slightest or no contact is another debate entirely….Pagan
Not much of a debate, Pegstar, they all do and if anybody claims otherwise then they should be slapped repeatedly with a used nappy until they see common sense.
C-mam, I don’t think I’m wrong when I say just anybody who thinks neither incident wasn’t a penalty is most certainly a LiVARpool fan. I suggest you youtube it before continuing your “I just heard” line of reasoning, my auld cyber chumster!
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Why have the PMGOL or whatever they are called come out and supported Moss after this one game? When they have maintained a stoney silence on all the very dubious yellow cards issued after the EIGHT two footed assaults on our players. Speak up on all contentious issues or none at all. Bloody shitehouses.
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Big J… that’s because everybody is allowed to kick City players, isn’t that what you’ve been telling us? 🙂
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Well social worker it does look that way doesnt it? Without a peep said by any official!
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Ouch!!! 🙂
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The law is that if a defender deliberately plays the ball, the attaching player is deemed onside, whether they slice it or make good contact. That’s the law. However the law is fucking stupid. It’s just like the collision between lloris and Firmino. Firmino was actually (from what I recall) onside but the linesman thought he was offside. But he wasn’t deemed active until he competed for the ball with lloris despite chasing the ball. The linesman thought 30 yards before he was offside but doesn’t raise the flag til he’s actually involved. Lovren made a decision based on Kane’s presence but Kane had made no attempt for the ball therefore wasn’t “active” until after Lovren played it. As I said it’s a dumb fucking law, but based on it, the officials got it right.
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Hightown, that’s the grey area, the rules I belive say deliberately play the ball, I was originally led to believe that it was deliberate as in the back pass rule, the refs on the TV seem to say deliberate attempt to play the ball and any contact with the ball is counted. As long as it’s consistent thems the rules, and the penalty stands….Pagan
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