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Sean…’I am never one to go overboard and I am always cautious’ Surely not, Sean. I have always known and loved you for your undying optimism and never say die attitude!!!
You know what, boys, I really don’t think I would have one other player from the Premiership, other than De Bruyne, in our starting 11. It’s a big statement that, which is why I’ve written this on our page cos I can’t be arsed to have the discussion/argument, but who would get in? Obviously wouldn’t swap Allison for any other keeper, either of the fullbacks, of course not. VVD? No. Gomez is probably not yet the 2nd best centre back in the Prem, but he has a good shot at becoming it very soon…and he’s English…and he’s young, so wouldn’t swap him, and who for anyway? Only Laporte is anywhere near him. Fabinho, along with Kante, are streets ahead of other defensive midfielders, so no swap. Hendo is for me the best captain in the Prem, and has had a sensational season. The front 3 are quite simply irreplaceable by anyone, so that just leaves KDB as a replacement for Gini, and I have to say that is hard on Gini. Impossible to knock off the ball, scorer of the most important goals (maybe could do with him chipping in with a few more), and he is Jurgen’s ‘go-to’ man.
But that just shows how strong our starting line up is. Even back in the day when we were so strong we had players who you knew were not really top class…I’m thinking of Joey Jones, Gary Ablett, Sammy Lee, Jimmy Case, David Johnson and Craig Johnston. All good players but a way short of being world class. There really isn’t a weakness in our current team, and it is just so exciting to see, and I just hope we are allowed back soon to witness them in the flesh again
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Lol HH in fairness, I was extremely gloom back in the day. It hurt man to be honest. So many false dawns. To be so passionate about something is a beautiful thing. I cried on Thursday, I was so happy. I love our club. Itβs very special and so is liveroool as a city. Iβve been there countless times and I love it
I can only imagine what it feels like
To live in the city over the last few yearsGreat times mate
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Hh, some very valid points. People talk about the front 3. They are only 28. Footballers are much fitter then they were years ago and these lads can play into their 30s. Look at vardy. Still as fast as ever and as fit as ever at 34.
The problem is if these 3 are fit. They will start. If we had if signed Werner he would not have played. Brilliant signing for chelsea though .
We might need cover for left back.
Is Adrian only signed for a year? Marius is back now?
Willians looks a reAl prospect as cover for Taa. Elliot and jones, two very exciting players
Iβm not sure we will sign anyone major nine to be honest mate. I think we have good cover everywhere but the front 3. We have been lucky they have not been injured. Origi is not good enough for me even though he is a legend. Problem is the front 3 will always play when fit so a big signing is not going to be happy on the bench
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Agree we need better LB cover. A lot of rumours about getting a new CB but I question why. I would hate to see Gomez’s career stalled.
Lovren is probably off so a reserve CB is likely needed. Matip is made of glass it seems (out for the rest of the season now), but to replace Gomez would in the starting line up would be madness. KK has been mentioned but that is looking unlikely but also Diego Carlos of Sevilla. But again, he is 27 and would likely expect to be first choice alongside VvD, so it makes little sense.
Having an excellent team brings it’s problems when it comes to transfers it seems, although a problem everyone would love to have!
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Agreed – I think we need a 3rd/4th choice centre back, left back cover and cover up top, and a reserve keeper if Adrian goes. But as you say, whoever comes in knows that they are very unlikely to be a starter which gives us problems.
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Problem is Gomez, Lovren and Matip all get injured frequently.
Was Gomez injured much this season? Highly rate this chap. After a slow start to the season he had been immense.
We do need a centre back.
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HH, a really good post and I agree with almost every detail. You’re right, let’s not have a discussion or argument about it. The thing is, we’re also not talking about a “best team on paper” scenario, we’ve got to consider the sum of the parts. KDB is also the only player in the PL who I’d have in the starting 11 and that’s a hand on heart honest answer (for any other fans on here who are shocked). For me though, I’d have KDB instead of Hendo. You probably knew that was coming because there is just no way in hell I’m dropping Gini, just no way. If you made me choose him or KDB, I’d take Gini. Maybe I’m insane but that’s my preference.
When you went through all the others, I was just nodding my head. As you lads know, I also rate Gomez incredibly highly, there’s no way I’d consider Laporte either. Gomez and Van Dijk make a good partnership and if Gomez can stay away from big injury problems then he’s on course to become a world class CB. The rest are untouchable in my eyes. I mean, there is definitely an argument for Kante over Fabinho alright but like the other 2 that I’ve mentioned, Fabinho is a bit of a project for me. If someone wanted to tell me that Kante is the better player then I might agree but we’re not picking a dreamteam. This is the side that I want to see out there challenging for the PL and CL again next season.
Sean, agreed. Origi is not good enough (even though he was an absolute beast and legend when the chips were down). karius is not good enough to be our number 2, we must get someone good in. Allison picks up injuries, so we’ve got to have solid backup, or we’re in trouble. I think we need to sign some cover for up top but if Klopp thinks we’re ok to use the reserves as backup then I guess Im ok with it too… MAYBE.
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As for the CB issue, I’d say we should replace Lovren and maybe even Matip if the right player comes along. Gomez has that place locked down, surely. I’d be really shocked if Klopp replaced him but we need cover who can actually be fit when called upon. They have to be up to standard too and Lovren is partially made of glass and also just has too many crazy moments in him. Matip was amazing for a good while when Gomez wasnt making the place his own but the injuires.. ya holy hell, sorry… We can’t rely on him.
anyway lads, so many years of us talking about what we could do to catch the other teams. Now we’re talking about how to stay where we are and there are still 7 games left. Pretty crazy stuff. Klopp seems really into continuing to improve, he sounds very very hungry and if he thinks he can do it then by all means, mein kaiser!
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I don’t have a problem with Milner covering LB for us. I mean, I guess it depends on whether he’s still up for the task. kinda hard to sign someone and say, ok you wait there for Robertson to be unable to play.
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Yah, all in all, it’s a great problem to have. Even Lovren, you know, is a pretty good option for a FOURTH choice centre back. Yes, he’s got a mistake in him, but name me a 4th choice centre back who hasn’t!
Mak, I thought you’d probably have KDB in place of Hendo, and I won’t resurrect that argument again. I think we’re comfortable with our own opinions! The thing about the front 3 is if one of them got an ACL injury or something that kept them out for months on end rather than weeks. Divvy, much as I love him (an icon as you say) is a Sheffield United standard player. Top half of Prem probably but you wouldn’t want him starting 25 games a season.
Anyway, Mak, it was only 8 days ago you were saying you were giving up on the season after the performance at Goodison. Something changed? Ha, ha!! Great feeling, eh?
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HH, I am glad you also don’t want to re-open that debate. I don’t have super strong feelings about it, Hendo had a great season. As for the kinda deflated feeling after the derby, ya man TBH it changed as I watched the Palace match. The lads had a lot more in their legs and were able to get their flow going. Of course I watched the Chelsea V City match and I was disappointed when City scored. This is when you really find out. I celebrated Chelsea’s winner like it was Mane scoring it.
Agreed regards the injury thing too. I wouldn’t have a bad word to say about Origi after what he’s done for us but that isn’t the same as saying that he’s up to standard. With Shaqiri going and us still being unsure about Minamino, perhaps we will go out and get someone but if we couldn’t afford Werner at 50M or so, are we going to have 30m lying around to sign decent cover, because that’s what it’ll take.
Klopp will have seen enough of Minamino now though I hope and I’m sure if he went to FSG and said “Guys, I really need someone”, he’d bloody get the funds. We may be taking losses right now but our revenue is on a constant upward trend. they could find the funds somewhere π
Ultimately Im trusting Klopp. It’s worked out great for us so far.
and ya HH, it’s bloody amazing to finally win the PL. Unlike the CL wins, which are maybe heavier felt (due to the nature of having a final game and us not, with the PL), the PL win gives me a great sense of peace and contentment. We have nothing left to prove and can just enjoy the rest of Klopp’s time at the club. Know what I mean?
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Agree with that mak. We really donβt have much to lose. The burden is gone but now is a huge chance to really push on
Great feeling to finally be champions. A huge sense of relief almost
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Sean, going back to Gomez. I think it’s still unclear if he’s the type to get injured a lot, or if he’s just been horribly unlucky with a few big injuries.
Some players are injury prone but they tend to be out a lot with niggles. The argument could be put forward that Gomez’s 2 BIG injuries are a result of some kind of fault in his body or in some nuance of how he plays/posture etc etc but it could just be horrible luck and there is still a chance that he has a relatively injury free career ahead for him. It could be wishful thinking on my part but I think his first big injury was a major ligament tear and the 2nd was a broken leg? My memory sucks, so correct me where wrong.
Anyway, it’s very clear that the other 2 are the injury prone types. We have had situations where we have had no fit backup on the bench and even a time where Fabinho had to fill in at CB and we’ve got to plan around this issue, as it could cost us.
I would very much like to plan around that happening up top also. I mean, maybe Minamino is the Lovren quality cover up there, who won’t expect to play but will do an ok job when needed (obviously hope he’s less injury prone of course). If he isnt then i think we need that type of player because our luck will run out up top.
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Lads,thoughts on Thiago Alcantara to Liverpool?
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Sean, I’ve taken your comment about Fab over to this thread to stop LFC comments dominating the match day thread.
You make a very good point about Fab and that he likes to press fairly high. I remember his debut in a friendly and I kept a close eye on him and he was often in front of the other midfielders leaving a huge gap in front of the defenders. He was all over the place to be frank. He turned it around for the first season putting in some great DM performances but he seems to have slipped back into the poor positional play again. Whether that’s his or Klopps fault I do not know but it leaves our centre backs wide open.
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Ye interesting threeps chum.
I thought we would really miss fabhino when he was out for two months but we didnβt.
Lacklustre season from him but he was very good last season. Hopefully he can bounce back
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Mav, its a signing that wouldn’t make a lot of sense to be honest. A good player no doubt but he is 29 and we do not need to add more experience to our midfield. Money is very tight at the moment and we have other areas that need attention before central midfield.
Could see him going to City mind.
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I think fab has been one of our better players since the restart. I’m surprised few of you like him. I think he is an integral part of the way we play, and the Fab we saw last season and the first half of this one would walk in to all teams in the Prem. He came back from injury and was very poor, granted, but against Palace he got MoM, and even against City, he was probably our best player…not that that is saying much admittedly. As I said in a post the other day, I wouldn’t swap him for any other defensive midfielder around.
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Thiago is a faux link. Weve made no contact with Bayern but his agent wants to move him on, so they are throwing out name out there.
HH, I’m a big fan of his also. There’s no denying that his form slipped earlier in the season, even if I was maybe slow to admit it but ya, against Palace he was excellent. That ball on for Salah was really not your typical DM play but he has that in his locker. That shot of course was insane too and it helps to take 1 or 2 of them now and again, to make the opposition think. Those were the kinda highlight moments that don’t really define his role but he won the ball a lot too.
As for him maybe being out of position, it’s possible that Klopp has him playing a bit abnormally. we’ll see though.
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If this is the way we’re going to play from here on, we can forget about a points record. I think we can forget about our own points record too at that. They aren’t bothered.
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