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My take on today’s game against southampton.
First half very bad. A few players looked complacent. Lucky not to concede from mistakes our players made, like Firmino with a crazy hoof up in the air and backwards towards our goal or Gomez hesitating. Even VvD looked unsure. Our midfield were second best and offered little protection.
Second half much better. Drive and urgency more evident in particular Firmino and Henderson. Gomez still a little unsure looking and even Alisson made some daft decisions. Gini a little anonymous and Fabinho rusty. Salah looked far more a threat once they committed men forward searching for a goal. Good cameo by Keita, he always seems to do ok coming on, why cant he do that from the start?
Motm Henderson. He’s had a few recently.
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I’d give MOTM to Firmino but I won’t begrudge you for picking Hendo.
I don’t think anyone fully escaped mad moments, or the first half in general with an exceedingly high rating. I agree with you that Wijnaldum was vacant for a lot of it./ I almost forgot he was playing at one stage. he needs a rest but he’s got one now, thankfully.
I’m not sure what you mean about Gomez though when you say “still unsure”. I think without him, we concede maybe 3 goals today. So, although mistakes were made by all at times, he was really on it then in the 2nd half. Maybe I’m biased, or maybe I need to stop talking while I’m watching games but Gomez for me was close enough to being MOTM. There’s a drive from fans to really press for hendo to be named champion of the universe and it’s largely (in my opinion, right or wrong) an over-compensation for the negativity that he had to put up with some a time. I definitely acknowledge his vast improvements in performance levels over the past 18 months or so but I am not on board this train.
Anyone else a bit worried about Robertson failing to have the impact on games that he did last season?
Hendo was very good today, again like most, in the 2nd half mostly. He was definitely in the top 4 players on the pitch today. In what order? I’m not sure. Those 4 were Firmino, Salah, Gomez and Hendo. I want to see more from Robertson but I guess it’s tougher for him since he’s lost Mane on that side. i feel he can do better though. I think he was better last season.
I’ll stop going on anyway, it was a great win and we really put them to the sword. I thought Ings was always a threat against us and things got easier when he went off.
Champions elect, we’ve really only records and other tournaments to worry about now.
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I tried to write a response to your post threeps but it’s vanished. I know I casued this by editing it a few times in quick succession… it was a pretty dire post, so we’ve lost nothing.
I will summarize though :
I commented on this drive to have Hendo kinda lifted up into legendary status. I don’t buy it if I’m honest. I acknowledge his vast improvements over the past 18 months. really, he’s been great but people are over-compensating for the negativity, previously. I will say that he was in the top 4 players from todays match. I had previously said that I’m not entirely sure of the order but the 4 were : Firmino (MOTM), Salah, Gomez, Hendo. I’m decided on Firmino but I won’t get upset about others disagreeing.
I also commented that nobody really escaped problems at times today. I don’t agree about you being “still unsure” about Gomez but again, opinions. I think he’s brilliant and one of our best players.
I agree that Gini vanished from the game and thankfully we have a 2 week rest for him and the others. He’s run himself into the ground.
ehhh this is just as bad, if not worse than the post that vanished.
anyway look, we werent good first half and 10 minutes of the start of the 2nd but we really turned it on.
threeps, yes, we were definitely were complacent and Klopp will have to get on this but it was good to know that we can turn on the class without Mane. I think Salah and Firmino stepped up and really got going.
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I think what you realise as you watch things, just like when Utd were dominating – it’s not necessarily that we play out of this world in every of the 90 minutes in each game, it’s that we have a very good goalkeeper who makes key saves in a game, CBs that make few mistakes, and we create multiple chances of which we are clinical enough to score at least a few. And we obviously work hard. It is in these margins in which we are better than everyone else, even if in a game, we don’t always look particularly spectacular or sometimes the other team competes very well like vs Wolves.
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Mak I said Gomez was looking unsure, as in hesitant or positioned badly, not that I have an unsure option on him. He played badly and nearly cost us a goal.
Hendo was the driving force for our second half improvement.
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Hendo was motm today, no question. Assist and a goal, and what a captain! He got angry in the 2nd half with one or two of his colleagues being a little casual and then led by example. One of his best ever performances for me, and not just me. The Anfield Wrap gave him 10, and I’ve just listened to Shearer on MOTD saying he should be POTY…and Lineker agreed. He really is in the form of his life, whether playing as a 6, while Fab has been out or as an 8 now Fab is back. What a player!
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Gomez played badly? Henderson is POTY?
This Hendo thing is being blown way out of proportion. He’s been awful in games this season. We are quick to forget early season form? If Gomez had a bad game and Henderson is POTY I should just be quiet because we’re apparently just basing these decisions on emotion now.
You’re absolutely nuts if you think Henderson is POTY. Gomez played poorly… you guys.
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“The Anfield Wrap gave him 10”
Guess what I think of them.
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From the Echo:
Joe Gomez 6
Had a nightmare spell towards half-time when indecision meant he was continually caught out by Long and Ings. Composed himself after interval, a lesson learned.
Jordan Henderson 9
Desperately tried to inject some tempo into a first-half Liverpool performance lacking any, and was the inspiration after the break with a goal and an assist. A real captain’s performance.
Look at any media outlet that reviewed the game and you’ll read pretty much the same thing.
“we’re apparently just basing these decisions on emotion now.”
I think some people are yes.
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Rightio being up front & honest I have only seen highlights of games this season & read a lot of articles etc. From what I’ve read & seen in highlights our much maligned captain has had a stellar season & our most recent game was probably his best ever for us.
I used to say Hendo doesn’t have the attributes to be the captain of a successful club, he doesn’t grab the game by the scruff or lead by example. Well from what I can gather he lead by example in our most recent game and has done so in more than a couple of games this season. A great assist as well as a goal & getting into the lads when the team looked a bit complacent, what more could you ask for. I get that was one game but from what I’m reading he has been very good all season. You can see the passion he has for our club & considering I think Klopp is a genius & he keeps Hendo as captain & a regular in the team I’m happy to say it appears I was well & truly wrong about Jordan HENDERSON._____________________________
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Thought Gomez was poor in the 1st half. Got better in the 2nd but it was his worst game in a while
Firmino was man of the match for me. Henderson was excellent.
Great to see the ovation Henderson got. He’s worked so hard to get to this stage. He’s is already the captain of the European champions. He is going down in lfc history bigtime.
You can see what it means to him being Liverpool captain. I’ve always had my doubts about him but I never questioned his desire or passion. He is an inspirational captain now
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Let me start by saying there is not a centre back in the Prem I would swap Gomez for, but yesterday was not one of his best games. He gave the ball away a couple of times early, but was strong enough to settle in to the game, and 2nd half was back to his best. I imagine and hope he will be a Liverpool centre back for another 7 or 8 years, barring injuries.
And as for Hendo being POTY, it was Shearer and Lineker who said it, not me, but I’m telling you he, along with VVD, Trent and Mane are right up there in the running. We were laughing at ourselves at Anfield yesterday, recalling the times early in his Liverpool career where we had slagged him off amongst ourselves. Always arriving a split second too late in a challenge, being afraid to take a risk, and always appearing to feel he had to live up to the Gerrard replacement mantle. He is a player who has flourished under Klopp to become one of the best midfield players and one of the best captains in the Premiership, and frankly, I’m surprised at people who don’t see that. But, hey, football is a game of opinions, right?
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This is crazy:
2018/19: 97 points (2nd)
2008/09: 86 points (2nd)
2013/14: 84 points (2nd)
2005/06: 82 points (3rd)
2001/02: 80 points (2nd)
2016/17: 76 points (4th)
2007/08: 76 points (4th)
2017/18: 75 points (4th)
1994/95: 74 points (4th)
2019/20: 73 points (after 25 games)
1995/96: 71 points (3rd)
2000/01: 69 points (3rd)
2006/07: 68 points (3rd)
1996/97: 68 points (4th)
1999/00: 67 points (4th)
1997/98: 65 points (3rd)
2002/03: 64 points (5th)
2009/10: 63 points (7th)
2014/15: 62 points (6th)
2012/13: 61 points (7th)
2015/16: 60 points (8th)
2003/04: 60 points (4th)
1993/94: 60 points (8th)
1992/93: 59 points (6th)
2004/05: 58 points (5th)
2010/11: 58 points (6th)
1998/99: 54 points (7th)
2011/12: 52 points (8th)Edit: also shows how crap we have been in the past!
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Wow! Can’t believe 65 points was enough to get 3rd in 97/98!
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HH, I do see it… but it wasn’t long ago that we were all saying that Van Dijk is the best defender in the world. Now he’s not the best in the team? A month ago we were saying the same kinda stuff about Mane but he’s gone for 2 weeks, so he can’t be in the running for POTY anymore. Out of sight, out of mind.
Can’t Hendo just be a very good player doing incredibly well ATM? Do we really need to start the “He’s the greatest ever now and if you don’t agree, you’re a hater” nonsense that is going around? (it’s all over reddit/twitter and from the general fanbase too)
I find myself pushing back because of what I consider to be over-compensation and I may have to just opt out of Henderson discussion from here on or something because it honestly just irritates me and I end up over-compensating also, in the other direction.
I’m gonna leave it there.
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Err, sorry, mate, did I not say that VVD and Mane (and Trent) are and should be in the running for POTY? Have I ever said that VVD is not the best defender in the world? He is the Rolls royce of defenders, mate, and I will argue to the death with anyone who disagrees. My point is that we have the best defender in the Prem in VVD, the best attacker in the Prem in Mane, but also the best midfielder in the Prem in Hendo. There has been plenty of discussion on here from fans of other clubs saying our midfield is ordinary, and tehy are absolutely entitled to their opinions, but when Hendo has a blinding game, like he did yesterday, and when respected pundits like Shearer and Lineker say that he is their choice for POTY, I think it is worth further discussion. It is nothing to do with over-compensation, though now you come to mention it, the difference in quality between VVD’s worst performance for Liverpool and his best is miniscule compared to Hendo’s worst and best!! And that is also to Hendo’s credit – to show the strength of character and the determination, not to mention the sheer, bloody hard work, to prove people like me, and Brendan Rodgers, wrong. I will absolutely 100% admit that I got it wrong about the lad. I never thought he would be able to turn his Liverpool career around to the extent that he has.
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I said : “we were all saying”
I’m speaking in general terms. I’m not taking aim at your position solely but a general take from having read 100’s of opinions, or one’s I’ve heard, or have text to me etc etc.
“but also the best midfielder in the Prem in Hendo.”
This is my point though. Hendo is not the best midfielder in the PL. I would swap him in a HEARTBEAT for KDB.
Now, I’d love to know what neutral and rival fans would think about Henderson’s new crown but this is what I’m talking about, we’re over-compensating.
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HH, you weren’t wrong about Hendo though. He showed no signs of being able to play to this level, over let’s say 30-4 seasons at a guess. Going back further though to 13/14, he was very important that season.
Not to get bogged down in that though, you’re right in your observation in the differences between levels but I think it’s more credit to Van Dijk for staying at a consistently high level for almost every game, all season.
Hendo has been great recently. I just think we (Liverpool fans in general) should cool it before we ask FSG to buy the rights to He-Man’s “I have the power!!!” line.
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Just to put a spanner in the works, if Henderson is in the form of his life, why hid he wait until the second half to lead and drive the turnaround?
Look we know the lad works hard, always has done, and follows the managers instructions which is why Klopp will always have a place for him. And credit it to him personally for fighting for his career years ago when Brendan tried to offload him to Fulham.
But as Mak alludes to, we are quick to forget his other performances. I remember for example Matip showing him up away to Sheff Utd when passing forward, with Henderson often playing safe.
And then he’ll have a better period of games and suddenly he’s player of the season according to some pundits?
For the record I don’t particularly rate Fabinho either. I think he can be slow and cumbersome and in some ways doesn’t really suit our play. As the evidence has proven, our clean sheets are largely down to the return of Gomez & Van Dijk.
I have to say, though his injury record isn’t great, I do like Keita. I think he’s very positive and has lots of energy and suits our style of play much more. He can be loose in possession, but you can live with that because he offers more going forward. It’s worth the risk. So I’d try and hold on to Keita.
But back to Henderson, as I say, there is much to admire in his attitude, work rate and personal integrity. But I just think his best games tend to follow periods where the rest of the team also plays well. In games where you need a spark, he’s not really the answer. I’d wager if both him & Keita had full seasons ahead of them, Keita would ultimately offer more. And Keita was starting to bang in more goals in his recent spell before injury.
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Just to put a spanner in the works, if Henderson is in the form of his life, why hid he wait until the second half to lead and drive the turnaround?
Look we know the lad works hard, always has done, and follows the managers instructions which is why Klopp will always have a place for him. And credit it to him personally for fighting for his career years ago when Brendan tried to offload him to Fulham.
But as Mak alludes to, we are quick to forget his other performances. I remember for example Matip showing him up away to Sheff Utd when passing forward, with Henderson often playing safe.
And then he’ll have a better period of games and suddenly he’s player of the season according to some pundits?
For the record I don’t particularly rate Fabinho either. I think he can be slow and cumbersome and in some ways doesn’t really suit our play. As the evidence has proven, our clean sheets are largely down to the return of Gomez & Van Dijk.
I have to say, though his injury record isn’t great, I do like Keita. I think he’s very positive and has lots of energy and suits our style of play much more. He can be loose in possession, but you can live with that because he offers more going forward. It’s worth the risk. So I’d try and hold on to Keita.
But back to Henderson, as I say, there is much to admire in his attitude, work rate and personal integrity. But I just think his best games tend to follow periods where the rest of the team also plays well. In games where you need a spark, he’s not really the answer. I’d wager if both him & Keita had full seasons ahead of them, Keita would ultimately offer more. And Keita was starting to bang in more goals in his recent spell before injury.
In fact Keita has scored the same number of goals as Henderson but in just 16 appearances vs Henderson’s 32 appearances.
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