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Threeps, I’m not sure how far back you remember but Nil has never liked him. He wasn’t the only one of course, in fact I think a large percentage of fans wanted him shipped out, that was until he scored 23 PL goals, or whatever it was. It was also around then that the media started focusing on what he does off the ball. Most of the anti-Firmino stuff came to an abrupt halt back then but you can’t please everyone. You guys all know that i think Hendo needs to play to a higher level , consistently to remain in the side… that’s my controversial opinion I guess. we’ve all got them. The Firmino thing to me is baffling though.
We have a team full of world class, or players who are close to that title. Even then, Firmino is one of the first names on the teamsheet. I’ve no doubt about this at all. As for us having a lack of firepower in that front 3, well I’ve no comment for that besides to say that we have one of the best attacks in the world. We’re probably 2nd behind City in that regard.
The midfield isn’t too bad, it’s just not flashy. I don’;t agree with a lot of Klopp’s selections when it comes to midfield. I’d utilize Milner more often but maybe Klopp’s sports science boys have told him that he just can’t keep pace anymore? He looks good to me when I see him. That ball on for a goal that Mane scored recently was sublime. He’s always had that in him.
Fabinho is bloody fantastic, nobody takes his place. Wijnaldum for me deserves his place in the side. So the 3rd is open to Oxlade/Hendo/Milner. I’m over-simplifying here of course but with Oxlade looking better and better, I’d start him against city.
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Chelsea fans used to have a similar discussion relating to Jon Obi Mikel and I would use the same argument here.
If a player constantly gets picked by his manager, itβs usually for one of two reasons.
1 – heβs sleeping with the manager, highly unlikely.
2 – heβs doing exactly what the managers asking of him and doing it well – most likely.
….Pagan
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Ya, I mean I would lve to see a massive club come in and try to buy Firmino. Then you’d know his true value to the side when Klopp tells them to jump in the river, or send us 150m.
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This is blown out of context and proportion. It’s not personal and a point of dis-liking someone. It’s noticing if anything somebody’s form dipped or a slight deficiency.
GOALS: Where do they predominantly come from? Strikers and players playing up the higher end of the pitch as they are closer to the Goalmouth, in ‘layman’s terms’.
Salah’s in that zone at the moment like a lot of our past Strikers or front man where it’s not been happening for him. Firmino too.
CLEARLY, my post elsewhere was misread as I was actually complimentary towards Firmino albeit he isn’t scoring goals.
Now, one could argue, it’s a Team Effort. SADIO MANE is the MAIN MAN and our APEX, However, better than ever before, We Are a Team.
Goals are coming from a variety of outfield players and that’s Refreshing, Truly. It was merely an area of criticism pulled because I don’t want us to completely DRY-UP in GOALS.
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Mak me old mate, my daughter told me :>)) was a smiley face & whilst it took me a while to figure it out I finally got it. I was having a laugh mate, not offended in the slightest bud.
Threeps mate I must admit I had a laugh at your post, sitting top by 6 & being chopped for how bad we are, very good point.
Gods honest truth lads I have only seen highlights of our games as fox sport in Oz doesnβt play any games any more (Optus mobile service has the rights & I ainβt paying any more for subscriptions) so I go off those & what people say after the games. I know itβs like watching clips off YouTube to see if a player is any good but from what I read & see we are missing a lot of chances ( I suppose should be happy we are creating them) & other teams have missed some pretty easy chances against us as well. I just see city as more clinical than others & base my prediction on that.
It appears to me in big games at home in the EPL the crowd & players seem nervous whereas in the C/L itβs like thereβs a belief we will beat everyone.
Anyhow hereβs to a win Mark me old mate, thatβd really put us in a great posi.
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3ps, only just noticed your reply within the last 10 mins on visiting this thread.
Tricky with The General Weekend Football. I get the impression people on that thread get p’d off seeing Liverpool Posters and Chat, so I’ll try and keep our thoughts, here.
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Glad to hear it Oz cause although I do maybe pick at you for suggesting we will lose or whatever, I’m never intending to offend or get your back up. Maybe I have to work on my delivery a bit more.
“from what I read & see we are missing a lot of chances ( I suppose should be happy we are creating them)”
I actually think that a lot of the time, the chances that are being created as not up to the level that they used to be. There’s a bit of a lack of flow in our forward play sometimes and that final ball is usually too slow, or too heavy.
You could look at Salah as a perfect example of someone who’s playing well enough but getting nothing from it because he just lacks that killer instinct. Maybe Firmino too but not in the way that Nil is suggesting. Firmino’s number 1 role is not goals, I don’t care how many times it’s said. Salah and Mane are our goal scorers and Firmino is the catalyst. Could he do better? sure but so could the other 2 and the 2 more forward playing midfielders. If you want to talk about problems in the side, that’s where it is for me but Oxlade is back to 100% match fitness and he seems to have that mental sharpness too.
I’ll be upset if Klopp starts Hendo over Oxlade against City.
As for some of our Liverpool chat, you cant blame other fans for maybe not loving some of our talk in other channels. way off at the top and talking like we’re below expectations. Maybe they’d get it if they watched every game like we do but they have their own teams to support.
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3-0 Liverpool and City in disarray. City are a bit off colour and I just have this feeling, especially with their injury problems to key players.
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also Oz, you know what? I think that CL belief is starting to take in the PL. There have been times where we’ve gone down a goal and I just know we’re going to score and maybe win. I just feel it. If you were to ask me, I’d say City look more nervy lately. As the game gets closer and closer though, I’m already feeling the anxiety. The lads will NEED that Anfield crowd. We’ll need a perfect performance too. I think we’re we’re favourites but not by a longshot.
anyway that’s all for the thread until after the game. I think the discussion will be centered around midfield, hopefully praising Oxlade or me saying I was wrong for Klopp to not start Hendo but please ,,, please no Keita (love to be super wrong here with a screamer also but…).
team I;d start :
Alisson
Trent – Gomez – Van Dijk – Robertson
Oxlade – Fabinho – Wijnaldum
Salah – Firmino – Maneteam I think Klopp will start :
Alisson
Trent – Lovren – Van Dijk – Robertson
Henderson – Fabinho – Wijnaldum
Salah – Firmino – ManeWhich would ye prefer or what alternatives would you lads offer?
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Mak, Hendo will Defo start tomorrow mate
I always liked firmino. You could see what skill he had from the off but he got an injury early days
Also Rodgers didnβt know his best position. Klopp found the best position for him and heβs an absolute delight to watch. Klopp has turned him into a top top player.
Firmino is our focal point. Itβs not about how many goals he gets
Him and Robbo are my favourite players
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Henderson has had a bit of illness this week but if ok I’d expect him to start. Go with intensity from the start. Ox can be plan B if we need it. If Hendo isn’t fit then I think it’s a choice of Milner as a like for like or Ox. Ox had said himself his fitness isn’t there yet when it come to the defensive side, I imagine he means the intensity, but going forward he’s look good.
Think the general consensus is that Henderson will be ok.
Know you’re a big fan of Gonez Mak and so am I but he hasn’t shown anything to suggest he should start. Likewise Lovren hasn’t done much wrong to say he needs dropping.
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Massive fan of Ox and Love for him to start Tomozz. Henderson I hope dropped, but Milner and Fabinho in. Our Best Resilient yet Potent Midfield.
I don’t mind re Gomez/Lovren, just get Stuck In!
Nope, not saying out. No Predictions, no nothing. Pep has something up his Sleeve.
Just Go With The Flow…..
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Like the nice relaxed approach π . You like to kick every ball with them. That is brilliant. Bit like me last night watching Chelsea. May the best team win Nil. I have a gut feel that Liverpool will take advantage of a few weaknesses in this one. Apparently City are minus their no 1 keeper and Central defender. I’ll enjoy watching a replay when I wake up at 7am Monday morning π
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Haha cheers C67.
I still find it hard to call and not feeling over-confident even if everything is stacked in our favour. A draw would suit us given the current situation. Maybe the pressure and the onus is on them to get a win and we could be presented opportunities on the counter.
I hope the Front 3 are on Fire and bring their shooting boots.
Leicester and you guys have overtaken them! π
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Think City might get the points. Half expect Aguero to bang in a couple and a wise man bets on an ex player returning to score. 3-2 with some luck
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I didn’t realise David Silva’s out.
You may well be right 442. They have Aguero. That’s an ingredient of it’s own. Sterling too. They are relying on the depth of their quality.
Maybe this is a matter of ensuring the possession is as one-sided as possible. Maybe they’ll soak up the pressure and try and hit us on the counter with late goals.
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Is Silva definitely out? Jesus. They’ll replace him with another world class player though.
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Mak, sorry just caught this now.
Silva for them was missed as he compliments the forward line in being able to play in little pockets to undo our full-back and centre back.
I suppose from that point of view, that helped us with the rub of the green, but I certainly wouldn’t dismiss how well our performance was this afternoon.
We’re in a Great Position going into the International Break, but of course, need to be ready for when we travel to Selhurst Park and play on the 23rd, Crystal Palace.
Cheers
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I guess I should have been talking in here instead. I am just sick and tired of a few posters on here who can say whatever they like. I’m a fool for letting it get to me. I should just and will go from here, enjoying the damn 3 points.
That 2nd goal was something special.
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